DeLay convicted of money laundering charges

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Conservative said:

And this affects you how? I'll bet you haven't a clue what this case was all about but because it is DeLay you pile on. there will be an appeal and a reversal based upon legal reviews in Houston. I am sure that will warrant another thread from you where you apologize. Right?

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Delay is the scum of the earth -- if teabaggers and far-righties really walked the talk then they should know he is the embodiment of all that is wrong with this country.

But they're too busy trying to memorize fox news talking points and spew them back out every chance they get...

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He should share a cell with Rangel. Filthy corrupt politicians.

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hazlnut said:

Delay is the scum of the earth -- if teabaggers and far-righties really walked the talk then they should know he is the embodiment of all that is wrong with this country.

But they're too busy trying to memorize fox news talking points and spew them back out every chance they get...

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Just like Rangel and Waters? What about Obama offering Sestak a job? That's a felony that carries 5 years. I bet you don't want to see The One go to the The Joint. :rofl

TacticalEvilDan said:

There are a couple of things about this subject that bother me:

• The propensity of left-leaning posters for celebration
• The propensity of right-leaning posters for obfuscation and finger-pointing

By no means am I saying that all posters of any particular lean are behaving in a certain way. I'm just saying I noticed patterns that bothered me.

What bothers me the most is the fact that DeLay is facing a maximum sentence of 99 + 20 years. That's obscene.

Criminal sanctions should in some way be proportional to actual harm done. Failing a clear finding on that front, a sentence of not more than 3 years is more than reasonable.

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What's wrong with celebrating? I remember when Ken Lay died and many people I respect were happy about it. I thought that was shameful. But in this case, you've got a guy who thought he was above the law, and that he was untouchable. For a jury of Texans to find him guilty is fantastic. I think that everybody who believes in America's justice system should celebrate. There are a lot of problems with our judicial branch, but this is a moment when we can all be happy that the process is, for the time being, working. That's a wonderful thing. I can't speak for anybody but myself, but I'm not celebrating his suffering, I'm celebrating justice.

And Conservative's claim that this verdict won't stand because lawyers say it will be overturned -- so? Of course his lawyers say it will be overturned. What else would they say? DeLay will not be held accountable for his crimes. He will probably, at best, get a few years probation. But a symbolic victory would be one to savor.

Mustachio said:

What's wrong with celebrating? I remember when Ken Lay died and many people I respect were happy about it. I thought that was shameful. But in this case, you've got a guy who thought he was above the law, and that he was untouchable. For a jury of Texans to find him guilty is fantastic. I think that everybody who believes in America's justice system should celebrate. There are a lot of problems with our judicial branch, but this is a moment when we can all be happy that the process is, for the time being, working. That's a wonderful thing. I can't speak for anybody but myself, but I'm not celebrating his suffering, I'm celebrating justice.

And Conservative's claim that this verdict won't stand because lawyers say it will be overturned -- so? Of course his lawyers say it will be overturned. What else would they say? DeLay will not be held accountable for his crimes. He will probably, at best, get a few years probation. But a symbolic victory would be one to savor.

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We have plenty of grave dancers here; just check some of the old post of Senator Kennedy’s death.

apdst said:

So, are you content with Rangel getting what amounts to an ass chewing for evading hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes?

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No I am not content, as I have explained in threads actually about him. This is where I get to claim constancy. I don't try and hide my sides dirty laundry by pointing to the other side. When we have some one who is corrupt, it's time to condemn them and that is it. It's amusing but sad to see how few actually simply condemn corruption.

Redress said:

No I am not content, as I have explained in threads actually about him. This is where I get to claim constancy. I don't try and hide my sides dirty laundry by pointing to the other side. When we have some one who is corrupt, it's time to condemn them and that is it. It's amusing but sad to see how few actually simply condemn corruption.

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Redress, I was fixing to say the same thing.

Liberals, I, as a libertarian with conservative roots, would like to apologize for the conservatives behavior in this thread. Instead of saying "Yay, it's time to clean up the conservative party, lets lock up the crooks and start with Delay!" or something to that affect, or at LEAST say "Let's wait until all appeals are settled before jumping the gun" all they do is point to the other side.

Although personally I am guilty of the "Yea, but HE did it too" mantra (Redress knows what I mean) I hate it. It reflects badly on the conservative party. I think that conservatives here are afraid that liberals will look down on their party because of a conviction. Well, funny, because I don't look down on the party when Rangel was convicted, I'm just glad they caught him. Same with Delay, if he in fact is guilty.

What do you think outsiders think about our country when we don't show unity when a corrupt politician is found, on either side, all we do is point fingers at the other sides crooks? That looks childish; no wonder nobody respects America anymore. It's time to stand up, damnit, ignore the letter next to someone's name, and unite to rid our government of ALL corruption. Once we clean the waters, then we can once again be proud of our nation.

Conservatives, stand up!! Show the democrats that you are PROUD to clean up your party. The bible states to worry about the log in your own eye before the stick in someone elses. You should be proud that another crooked Republican was caught, it's like finding one more problem with a broken down car. Eventually, the car will run again. Make your party the one that people respect for NOT defending a crooks actions!

I knew I should not have peeked in on this thread, I feel all slimy and repulsed now.

An answer to apdst - No I am not. As far as I am concerned, Rangel should be in prison. So should DeLay.

Here is the problem I have with your side. You are quick to jump all over Jefferson and Rangel for doing the same things DeLay did, but you are quick to defend DeLay. The way I see it, the law is the law. In Texas, money laundering is punishable by prison. DeLay was found guilty. He should go to prison. I don't give a damn about anybody else. That is for different threads. In this thread, I am all for DeLay going to prison. Feel free to start another thread about how Rangel should go to prison, and I will be the first to jump in and agree with you. However, THIS thread is about Tom DeLay, the convicted money launderer.

To dontworrybehappy: Damn right. Excellent post.

TacticalEvilDan said:

There are a couple of things about this subject that bother me:

• The propensity of left-leaning posters for celebration
• The propensity of right-leaning posters for obfuscation and finger-pointing

By no means am I saying that all posters of any particular lean are behaving in a certain way. I'm just saying I noticed patterns that bothered me.

What bothers me the most is the fact that DeLay is facing a maximum sentence of 99 + 20 years. That's obscene.

Criminal sanctions should in some way be proportional to actual harm done. Failing a clear finding on that front, a sentence of not more than 3 years is more than reasonable.

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he broke the law, he essentially helped defeat the 'will of the people' in texas, he deserves more than 3 years.....10-15 at least.

randel said:

he broke the law, he essentially helped defeat the 'will of the people' in texas, he deserves more than 3 years.....10-15 at least.

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"helped defeat the will of the people?" How did he do that? Do you think everyone is a robot like you and votes for a Democrat simply because there is a "D" by their name? Tom DeLay had no impact on the 2008 and 2010 elections which all were individual races and on Nov. 2, 2010 20 more GOP legislators were elected to the state legislature. How did Redistricting create that? How did redistricting cause Obama to lose the state by well over a million votes?

The "will of the people" in this state is conservative and the results show that it works, part time legislature, no state income taxes, personal responsibility. Ohio ought to try that and apparently is with your elections on Nov. 2.

Whether or not Tom DeLay broke the law is still at question as this case is being appealed. If the conviction is upheld I will admit that I was wrong and that he is guilty but don't give me that "will of the people" rhetoric because you have to understand it before claiming it was defeated. My bet is you won't even address a reversal of that verdict when it happens.

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winston53660 said:

He was convicted by a jury of his fellow Texans.

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and a lot of those live in trailers..:2razz:

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Conservative said:

So you believe that Chappy has a good grasp on the testimony and the issues surrounding this case? Read his post again and get back to me. Redistricting is a state issue not something DeLay had anything to do with and it is the opinion of local attorneys that this will be overturned on appeal so then what?

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zzz... Time to move on and let Conservative go whine in a corner. He's apparently balling so resonately he can't hear anyone.

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Political pundits wear blinders, they can only focus on what the "enemy" does and are blind to what their own party does.
We seldom get the needed news that the same thing is still happening today.

We really need a law that is directed at Betrayal of the Public Trust....which would affect govt workers, politicians, Wall Streeters, even preachers, who use their position and influence in a way that costs the public money.
The guilty get to lose all their ill gotten gains, retirement credits, etc. PLUS go to a real prison.

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UtahBill said:

and a lot of those live in trailers..:2razz:

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Ever been to Austin? Mostly rich liberal University crowd along with the tech geeks.

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EnigmaO01 said:

zzz... Time to move on and let Conservative go whine in a corner. He's apparently balling so resonately he can't hear anyone.

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It does seem that facts get in the way of your "beliefs" so tell me where I am wrong. Didn't TX just elect 20 more GOP Legislators in this last election? Didn't Obama lose the state by over a million votes? How did DeLay affect this election or the 2008 elections?

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UtahBill said:

Political pundits wear blinders, they can only focus on what the "enemy" does and are blind to what their own party does.
We seldom get the needed news that the same thing is still happening today.

We really need a law that is directed at Betrayal of the Public Trust....which would affect govt workers, politicians, Wall Streeters, even preachers, who use their position and influence in a way that costs the public money.
The guilty get to lose all their ill gotten gains, retirement credits, etc. PLUS go to a real prison.

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Since I live in the Houston area and Sugarland, DeLay's district is a suburb on the southside of Houston, this trial was well covered. Houston is a Democrat city in a Conservative state although the Mayors of Houston are more fiscally conservative than today's Democrat Party they have been Democrat since I moved here in 1992. Coverage here has been quite extensive and it is the overwhelming belief on the part of attorneys interviewed that this is a miscarriage of justice and will be overturned on appeal. Now tell me what someone in Ohio, Minnesota, California, or even Utah know that these attorneys that have been following the case don't know?

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Conservative said:

Since I live in the Houston area and Sugarland, DeLay's district is a suburb on the southside of Houston, this trial was well covered. Houston is a Democrat city in a Conservative state although the Mayors of Houston are more fiscally conservative than today's Democrat Party they have been Democrat since I moved here in 1992. Coverage here has been quite extensive and it is the overwhelming belief on the part of attorneys interviewed that this is a miscarriage of justice and will be overturned on appeal. Now tell me what someone in Ohio, Minnesota, California, or even Utah know that these attorneys that have been following the case don't know?

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I am old enough to have watched a lot of this crap play out. Every state has their crooks, nobody is picking on Texans here, especially since y'all is so sensitive to criticism.:roll:
Utah's governor just got re-elected, right after his DOT head paid $13,000,000 hush money to a low bidder who did NOT get selected, but the winning bidder did, just by coincindence pay into the governors campaign funds. The Gov claimed to know nothing about it, the DOT head backed him up. Question is, why doesn't the Gov fire the DOT head?
Maybe there is more to this story? There usually is....
Of course, the gov is an R, and Utah is mostly R. We do have a collection of Dem souls, mostly in Salt Lake City, and that mayor is often enough a democrat. Sounds like Houston, right?
As for Austin, it sounds like Logan, university towns tend to be nice areas to live and work, and retire...

danarhea said:

An answer to apdst - No I am not. As far as I am concerned, Rangel should be in prison. So should DeLay.

Here is the problem I have with your side. You are quick to jump all over Jefferson and Rangel for doing the same things DeLay did, but you are quick to defend DeLay. The way I see it, the law is the law. In Texas, money laundering is punishable by prison. DeLay was found guilty. He should go to prison. I don't give a damn about anybody else. That is for different threads. In this thread, I am all for DeLay going to prison. Feel free to start another thread about how Rangel should go to prison, and I will be the first to jump in and agree with you. However, THIS thread is about Tom DeLay, the convicted money launderer.

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You and Redress, both, missed the point. Which is: why are people excited that Delay may be going to jail, for life, yet aren't all that tweaked that Rangel isn't going to jail for even 5 minutes.

Mustachio said:

What's wrong with celebrating?

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It's not the celebration so much as it is how they who celebrate are most often left-leaning and so on. You know, like I said in my post.

Mustachio said:

I remember when Ken Lay died and many people I respect were happy about it. I thought that was shameful.

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Me too.

Mustachio said:

There are a lot of problems with our judicial branch, but this is a moment when we can all be happy that the process is, for the time being, working.

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I don't see it that way. The system royally screwed up, and the problems with it go way beyond the judiciary. We've got some serious problems in the prosecution and enforcement departments, and quite a few pretty craptacular laws to boot.

Conservative said:

"helped defeat the will of the people?" How did he do that? Do you think everyone is a robot like you and votes for a Democrat simply because there is a "D" by their name? Tom DeLay had no impact on the 2008 and 2010 elections which all were individual races and on Nov. 2, 2010 20 more GOP legislators were elected to the state legislature. How did Redistricting create that? How did redistricting cause Obama to lose the state by well over a million votes?

The "will of the people" in this state is conservative and the results show that it works, part time legislature, no state income taxes, personal responsibility. Ohio ought to try that and apparently is with your elections on Nov. 2.

Whether or not Tom DeLay broke the law is still at question as this case is being appealed. If the conviction is upheld I will admit that I was wrong and that he is guilty but don't give me that "will of the people" rhetoric because you have to understand it before claiming it was defeated. My bet is you won't even address a reversal of that verdict when it happens.

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i'm starting to think you have a serious comprehension problem, as you can't seem to understand that we are not talking about the recent rounds of elections....we are talking about tom delay, as difficult as it is for you, please stay on topic.

randel said:

he broke the law, he essentially helped defeat the 'will of the people' in texas, he deserves more than 3 years.....10-15 at least.

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Even if I agreed with your evaluation, which I don't, offense against an abstract concept shouldn't constitute sufficient harm to warrant 10-15 years in prison.

apdst said:

You and Redress, both, missed the point. Which is: why are people excited that Delay may be going to jail, for life, yet aren't all that tweaked that Rangel isn't going to jail for even 5 minutes.

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What people? I think they are both crooks and should serve jail time. I'm not denying that there are hyperpartisans somewhere mouth foaming over the fact that DeLay is a Republican while ignoring Rangel, Waters, Blago, or others. But in this thread I haven't seen any of that. Corruption is corruption and should be brought to justice regardless of party or power.

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UtahBill said:

I am old enough to have watched a lot of this crap play out. Every state has their crooks, nobody is picking on Texans here, especially since y'all is so sensitive to criticism.:roll:
Utah's governor just got re-elected, right after his DOT head paid $13,000,000 hush money to a low bidder who did NOT get selected, but the winning bidder did, just by coincindence pay into the governors campaign funds. The Gov claimed to know nothing about it, the DOT head backed him up. Question is, why doesn't the Gov fire the DOT head?
Maybe there is more to this story? There usually is....
Of course, the gov is an R, and Utah is mostly R. We do have a collection of Dem souls, mostly in Salt Lake City, and that mayor is often enough a democrat. Sounds like Houston, right?
As for Austin, it sounds like Logan, university towns tend to be nice areas to live and work, and retire...

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No one likes to be criticized, no question about it however, it is part of life just like it is a responsibility of all to admit when wrong which I will do if this verdict isn't overturned. Too many here believe it was a miscarriage of justice and will be overturned so I am waiting for the case to play out, not the current verdict as that isn't the end of the issue.

I simply pointed out the rhetoric coming out of Houston from open minded attorneys and not political ideologues on either side. I also pointed out the actual election results which had nothing to do with redistricting as some would have you believe. The total vote IS the will of the people. Tom DeLay had nothing to do with generating the total vote.

I have never been to Logan but I have been to Austin. It is in the Hill Country of TX and is indeed a nice area, just too far left for me and expensive. I just wish the rich liberal billionaires and supporters would put their money where their mouth is and send extra contributions to the govt. instead of trying to spread liberal misery equally to all others.