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    Re: Ex-House Leader DeLay Found Guilty in Texas Case

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    Getting way off topic here but to answer your question, I really don't care what you pay in taxes or how much you make. I am funny like that and promote your right to earn as much as you can and then letting you spend that money the way you see fit.
    with no obligation to the government that provided the infrastructure that supports our abilitly to earn money?
    When politicians seek to pervert the system to override the legal will of the people, what then?

    Delay got caught, as did Rangel, and many more politicians of many professed ideologies that they conveniently forget when they get close to the public purse...it isn't only power that corrupts.
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    Re: Ex-House Leader DeLay Found Guilty in Texas Case

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    with no obligation to the government that provided the infrastructure that supports our abilitly to earn money?
    When politicians seek to pervert the system to override the legal will of the people, what then?

    Delay got caught, as did Rangel, and many more politicians of many professed ideologies that they conveniently forget when they get close to the public purse...it isn't only power that corrupts.
    We shall see if DeLay broke the law as it now appears but this is being appealed. A lot of legal minds disagree with the jury and I doubt that many here really understood what this case was all about and just see the guilty verdict and rejoice because it is DeLay.

    Regarding the need for infrastructure money, this is something that many always use as an argument. There is no question that had the money collected from gasoline taxes been used for the sole purpose of our infrastructure we wouldn't have an infrastructure problem. The problem with this govt. is they are addicted to spending and that is what we have, a spending problem not a revenue problem. As long as we have people here that ignore that and buy what the media and liberal elites claim the problem is never going to be solved. Stop taking use taxes and putting that money into the general fund to be wasted on social programs beyond the scope required of the govt. Use money? Excise taxes collected on gasoline purchases, SS money collected on each paycheck! These funds should be in a "lockbox" but are part of the general fund as per the Treasury financial statement

    Income line items,

    Current Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service

    Individual Income tax

    Corporate Taxes

    SS/Unemploy/Other

    Excise Taxes

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    Re: Ex-House Leader DeLay Found Guilty in Texas Case

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    We shall see if DeLay broke the law as it now appears but this is being appealed. A lot of legal minds disagree with the jury and I doubt that many here really understood what this case was all about and just see the guilty verdict and rejoice because it is DeLay.

    Regarding the need for infrastructure money, this is something that many always use as an argument. There is no question that had the money collected from gasoline taxes been used for the sole purpose of our infrastructure we wouldn't have an infrastructure problem. The problem with this govt. is they are addicted to spending and that is what we have, a spending problem not a revenue problem. As long as we have people here that ignore that and buy what the media and liberal elites claim the problem is never going to be solved. Stop taking use taxes and putting that money into the general fund to be wasted on social programs beyond the scope required of the govt. Use money? Excise taxes collected on gasoline purchases, SS money collected on each paycheck! These funds should be in a "lockbox" but are part of the general fund as per the Treasury financial statement

    Income line items,

    Current Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service

    Individual Income tax

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    A jury convicted him, that is the system we have. If they said he is guilty, he no longer has the right to presumption of innocence til proven guilty. No doubt when the next GOP president gets elected, Delay will get a free pass on this.

    Anybody who thinks there is a level playing field in govt or Wall Street is living in denial. Both are corrupt, neither care for the average citizen except during campaign season, then they fake sincerity better than any Oscar winner ever has...
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    Re: DeLay convicted of money laundering charges

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I wonder who his cell mate will be? I hope the gets the max.
    It won't be Rangel.... that's for sure!!! Not even for a day or two
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    Re: DeLay convicted of money laundering charges

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    It won't be Rangel.... that's for sure!!! Not even for a day or two
    That might fall under "cruel and unusual punishment", for both of them....
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    Re: DeLay convicted of money laundering charges

    That's the difference and the hypocrisy between Democrats and Republicans. I bet that "corrupted" Rangel and Josephine Waters (both Democrats) will just get a little spanking, if any. What a load of crap. It's a circus
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    Re: DeLay convicted of money laundering charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I have no problem with either going to jail. You keep trying to make a big deal out of something that totally isn't. I stated, and think that corruption should be punished, no matter who did it, and have said this repeatedly, no matter who it was, or what party they belong to. I also don't play the finger pointing game to try and hide liberal corruption that you do to hide conservative corruption.

    Stop misrepresenting what I think.
    Very late to the thread. Don't know what all points have been made.

    Does appear Delay broke the law. And for that he should be held to account. May deserve some jail time but from the details I have followed in the case, it certainly won't (and shouldn't be) any long term incarceration. No indication that Delay benefited with any personal enrichment from his crimes. Which does distinguish him notably from Rangel's situation. And there are some questions about just how much direct involvement Delay had with the movement of that campaign money.

    As noted, if he (Delay) broke the law he should be held accountable. But details of the case matter. Particularly when sentencing decisions are being made by the judge.....


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    Re: DeLay convicted of money laundering charges

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    That might fall under "cruel and unusual punishment", for both of them....
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    Re: DeLay convicted of money laundering charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    DeLay didn't do anything wrong according to that testimony and he was convicted by a bunch of people just like you, partisan liberals who paid no attention to the testimony.
    Even though DeLay WANTED only liberals on his jury, a few righties snuck in.

    Earlier in the trial, DeLay had quipped that he wanted liberals on his jury because they were more empathetic. The six man, six woman jury, drawn from an Austin-area jury pool, a region of the state known for its staunch Democratic leanings, was made up of six Democrats, one Republican, three independent liberals and two independent conservatives, according to the Houston Chronicle. --Time
    Hm. Maybe it was the mean old righties who convinced the empathetic lefties to convict!

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    Re: DeLay convicted of money laundering charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Even though DeLay WANTED only liberals on his jury, a few righties snuck in.



    Hm. Maybe it was the mean old righties who convinced the empathetic lefties to convict!
    Comes a point in the issue that even conservatives are capable of embarrassment...
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