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North Korea reportedly fires at South

MSgt said:
Earlier I wrote a post about how pundits have gotten everything wrong since 9/11. I also made mention that people have a habit of assuming wisdom from a few media blurbs and then boldly stike out with erroneous conclusions no matter what others say....














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Well, released today by dirty wikileaks and a traitor in an American embassy.....

Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'Leaked dispatches show Beijing is frustrated with military actions of 'spoiled child' and increasingly favours reunified Korea

"Rule out reunification," justabubba?
"Lead to WWIII against China," Ocean City?

Could it be that I have some greater resource to know what is going on? Maybe a crystal ball? Fellas, all I did was apply some book fed knowledge about culture and economy, used some military experience to conclude the likely tactical end, and then applied some good old fashioned common sense. Washington is full of think tanks that do quite the opposite. Critics, called pundits, usually toss out conclusions that are based largely on nothing. And this is why the ignorant lords of negativity have been wrong about everything since 9/11. Their "wisdom" is based on media headlines and assumptions.

In the future, maybe we can take this one more example and appreciate what I'm stating instead of defaulting to "nu-uh." I do not blow smoke up people's asses and I am always with background study. As I stated, China is not willing to damage economic ties to America over North Korea. They are as fed up as we are. And this is one more piece of evidence that substantiates the future call for an American/Chinese world.
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It’s not the topic of this thread but we have to find a way to keep our secrets, secret. WHERE ARE THE FRIGGEN LEAKS COMING FROM? Rant over. :(
 
donc said:
It’s not the topic of this thread but we have to find a way to keep our secrets, secret. WHERE ARE THE FRIGGEN LEAKS COMING FROM? Rant over. :(
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Traitors who breathe free air. Even Amnisty International is fed up with Wikileaks' irresponibility.
 
You people are naive if you believe that the secrets were leaked against the will of the US government. If the government had wanted to keep it secret, it would have been. The government has repeatedly demonstrated in the past that they can keep **** secret if they really wanted to.

There is nothing that is particularly damaging in the wikileaks for the US (just alot of hot air) and most of it was common sense if you even bother to keep up with current events. It might damage the relations between China and NK even further, though, if NK has reason to believe that China is in bed with the US.
 
donc said:
It’s not the topic of this thread but we have to find a way to keep our secrets, secret. WHERE ARE THE FRIGGEN LEAKS COMING FROM? Rant over. :(
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My thinking is the government security is not what it should be. Some hot shot hackers are getting in. My guess though. Could be wrong. I do know China is doing everything possible to glean information in cyber space. Recently 15 percent of all Internet traffic was routed through China.

That said, isn't a lot of this from one individual that was downloading cables and classified information, and Wikileaks has been releasing parts of it as we go?
 
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Animus said:
You people are naive if you believe that the secrets were leaked against the will of the US government. If the government had wanted to keep it secret, it would have been. The government has repeatedly demonstrated in the past that they can keep **** secret if they really wanted to.
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That's a good point, but I doubt the government is in cahoots with wikileak devils and look forward to apologizing and explaining every released detail to the world. These leaks do involve some traitors even if they are just being like the foolish college kid who releases a virus for kicks.

Animus said:
There is nothing that is particularly damaging in the wikileaks for the US (just alot of hot air) and most of it was common sense if you even bother to keep up with current events.
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Unfortunately, some on this thread have demonstrated to have less than stellar common sense. But regardless if it is harmful or not, it should not be happening.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
My thinking is the security is not what it should be. Some hot shot hackers are getting in. My guess though. Could be wrong.
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Unlikely. When I worked at MARFORCOM in Virginia I was responsible for message traffic between the White House, NATO, and lower echelon units. The security (physical and network) was brick solid. No thumb drives. No cell phones. etc. Individuals from the inside would have to purposefully get material outside the building to release.



An Army private suspected of leaking classified material, including videos and other documents, has been transferred from Kuwait to a Marine Corps brig in Quantico, Virginia.
Army private transferred to Virginia amid WikiLeaks probe - CNN
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This occurred earlier because a stupid Army Private felt that it would cool to get away with it. He was turned in by a friend on the civilian side when he bragged about it. His friend thought what he was doing was dangerous. INFOSEC isn't as strong in a deployed environment and in embassies. This is a major reason why networking sites like Facebook and such have been banned. Sensitive material gets released unwittingly in a Facebook comment. But when secure documents of this kind get released, someone on the inside was being malicious and traitorous.
 
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MSgt said:
This occurred earlier because a stupid Army Private felt that it would cool to get away with it. He was turned in by a friend on the civilian side when he bragged about it. His friend thought what he was doing was dangerous. INFOSEC isn't as strong in a deployed environment and in embassies. This is a major reason why networking sites like Facebook and such have been banned. Sensitive material gets released unwittingly in a Facebook comment. But when secure documents of this kind get released, someone on the inside was being malicious and traitorous.
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I heard today he would bring in a disk and pretend he was listening to music while he was actually downloading this stuff. Why isn't there software installed that warns something is being downloaded? I hope heads rolled with his superiors as it sounds like they were really lax. I had an instructor in AF tech school that got court martialed and sent to Ft. Levenworth for allegedly giving answers during an exam. For crying out loud that was just weather school!
 
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I heard today he would bring in a disk and pretend he was listening to music while he was actually downloading this stuff. Why isn't there software installed that warns something is being downloaded?
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It's impractical. Once the information is opened from the network it can be transferred without notice. For this reason, USB ports on Marine Corps machine inside CONUS are shut off to thumb drives. He should not have been allowed to use disks abroad at all on SIPRNET or highly classified machines either. Storage devices that can take information away from the computer is unathorized in most secure situations. His site may have been lazy, in which case his leadership is responsible for his deeds. They would have had to ignore him abusing the machine with music. The rule is that once anything contacts a Secure Machine, it is no longer authorized to touch NIPRNET (Non-secure, Internet, personal PC, and such) machines. This was a soldier who betrayed his leaders and undermined the trust of his fellow soldiers doing their jobs.
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
I heard today he would bring in a disk and pretend he was listening to music while he was actually downloading this stuff. Why isn't there software installed that warns something is being downloaded?
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That would require someone to monitor a little screen and wait for a blip.
 
MSgt said:
It's impractical. Once the information is opened from the network it can be transferred without notice. For this reason, USB ports on Marine Corps machine inside CONUS are shut off to thumb drives. He should not have been allowed to use disks abroad at all on SIPRNET or highly classified machines abroad either. Storage devices that can take information away from the computer is unathorized in most secure situations. His site may have been lazy, in which case his leadership is responsible for his deeds. This was a soldier who betrayed his leaders and undermined the trust of his fellow soldiers doing their jobs.
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I've read that the pooling and easier access to information was a response adopted after 9/11. Do you know if that's true?
 
MSgt said:
Earlier I wrote a post about how pundits have gotten everything wrong since 9/11. I also made mention that people have a habit of assuming wisdom from a few media blurbs and then boldly stike out with erroneous conclusions no matter what others say....












******







Well, released today by dirty wikileaks and a traitor in an American embassy.....

Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'Leaked dispatches show Beijing is frustrated with military actions of 'spoiled child' and increasingly favours reunified Korea

"Rule out reunification," justabubba?
"Lead to WWIII against China," Ocean City?

Could it be that I have some greater resource to know what is going on? Maybe a crystal ball? Fellas, all I did was apply some book fed knowledge about culture and economy, used some military experience to conclude the likely tactical end, and then applied some good old fashioned common sense. Washington is full of think tanks that do quite the opposite. Critics, called pundits, usually toss out conclusions that are based largely on nothing. And this is why the ignorant lords of negativity have been wrong about everything since 9/11. Their "wisdom" is based on media headlines and assumptions.

In the future, maybe we can take this one more example and appreciate what I'm stating instead of defaulting to "nu-uh." I do not blow smoke up people's asses and I am always with background study. As I stated, China is not willing to damage economic ties to America over North Korea. They are as fed up as we are. And this is one more piece of evidence that substantiates the future call for an American/Chinese world.
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i still don't see it
having spent a number of years living in asia, that they would tell you what you want to hear is not at all unusual
frequently, that is done to allow parties to save face

actually, i would want you to be correct in this instance
and i did not see the fall of the berlin wall until it was happening
but if i were forced to bet, would not wager any money on a korean reunification in my lifetime, nor my kids'
i am still inclined to believe you are engaged in wishful thinking
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
I've read that the pooling and easier access to information was a response adopted after 9/11. Do you know if that's true?
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I don't know what you mean by "pooling and easier access to information." This was more about local law enforcement agencies and the CIA. It's a big reason why international terrorists have gotten caught by the FBI since 9/11. The FBI is privy to information regarding a terrorist's name in Pakistan.
 
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justabubba said:
i still don't see it
having spent a number of years living in asia, that they would tell you what you want to hear is not at all unusual
frequently, that is done to allow parties to save face
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It makes perfect economic sense. North Korea is no "frontline" for either the U.S. or China. It is a burden for both and the tradition of seeing North Korea as the future battle site between an imagined Chinese and American Cold War friction was never anything but shallow thought.

justabubba said:
but if i were forced to bet, would not wager any money on a korean reunification in my lifetime, nor my kids'
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Well, anything is possible, but China will not jeopardize economic ties to the U.S. at a time when it is trying to grow. A war that ultimately pits the U.S. against China would wreck both economies and markets all over the world. If it came down to it, they will turn their backs on North Korea because North Korea is obviously the antagonizer in the entire world's eyes. China backing up North Korea in the event that they push a war just isn't tactically sound. China is a rational player.
 
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Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 The reason no one likes the military is because of the likes of you which make the majority of cannon fodder...er I mean military. I have watched and listended to enough veterans that yeah the majority want a thanks and expect it and they also expect people to open doors for them. The majority of soldiers walk around with an attitude that they are doing something exceptional. But no you guys are not all spec ops and even then most of them are bored straight. Why? Because the people do not want a war like you war mongers do. Its scary that you are in the position you are in but not surprising when the mentally elite are in the private sector or civie world. Rarely are the mentally elite in the military.
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Now you pissed me off...... A LOT!!!!!!!!! :soap:soap:soap

They are the TRUE mother ****ing heros of this Nation!!!! How DARE YOU PUT THEM DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would say MUCH MUCH more but dont want to get an infraction!

This is what Im going to do...... print out your post and........ :toilet: FLUSH IT!!!!!!!
 
Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 The reason no one likes the military is because of the likes of you which make the majority of cannon fodder...er I mean military. I have watched and listended to enough veterans that yeah the majority want a thanks and expect it and they also expect people to open doors for them. The majority of soldiers walk around with an attitude that they are doing something exceptional. But no you guys are not all spec ops and even then most of them are bored straight. Why? Because the people do not want a war like you war mongers do. Its scary that you are in the position you are in but not surprising when the mentally elite are in the private sector or civie world. Rarely are the mentally elite in the military.

The American military is far better educated and much more skilled than Americans generally.
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 The reason no one likes the military is because of the likes of you which make the majority of cannon fodder...er I mean military. I have watched and listended to enough veterans that yeah the majority want a thanks and expect it and they also expect people to open doors for them. The majority of soldiers walk around with an attitude that they are doing something exceptional. But no you guys are not all spec ops and even then most of them are bored straight. Why? Because the people do not want a war like you war mongers do. Its scary that you are in the position you are in but not surprising when the mentally elite are in the private sector or civie world. Rarely are the mentally elite in the military.

The American military is far better educated and much more skilled than Americans generally.
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From my experience in uniform and as a military dependent, I respectfully disagree as far as the NCO's are concerned. I'd say it's very similar to a cross section of the American public, no worse, no better. As far as officers they have to have college degrees so...

Motivation is probably better than the typical American public though.
 
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Ocean City said:
What's all this hooplah about South Korea being our "ally" and we must do anything and everything to protect them? Last I recall, no South Korean forces came to assist when after we lost 3,000 citizens in 9/11 and went into Afghanistan and Iraq in response to it. They loose two Marines and now they are our best friend and we must all take up arms and die for them? That seems like a very one sided alliance to me. Back in high school we used to call that a 68.
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I don't know if Korean troops have been in Afghanistan or not, but that IS a NATO operation. Furthermore, under the terms of the treaty between the Republic of Korea and the United States, Korea is not under any obligation to support the U.S. militarily. Same is true of Japan. Only Taiwan's included mutual reciprocity (at Chiang Kai-shek's insistance) but the U.S. abrogated that one in 1979.

http://www.rjkoehler.com/2010/04/30/must-read-korea-flexing-muscles-in-afghanistan/

Apparently, there IS a South Korean presence in Afghanistan...
 
repeter said:
What do domestic politics have anything to do with fighting and beating an enemy? I assure you, if North Korea killed an American citizen, or soldier, the crap would hit the fan, and China and the DPRK are going to get hit with a ton of flying sh*t. If anything, the American people have less tolerance towards acts of violence against us.
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Which explains why there is so much, undivided support for the US action in Afghanistan right now, right????
 
Animus said:
You people are naive if you believe that the secrets were leaked against the will of the US government. If the government had wanted to keep it secret, it would have been. The government has repeatedly demonstrated in the past that they can keep **** secret if they really wanted to.

There is nothing that is particularly damaging in the wikileaks for the US (just alot of hot air) and most of it was common sense if you even bother to keep up with current events. It might damage the relations between China and NK even further, though, if NK has reason to believe that China is in bed with the US.
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Scroll a little lower please for the conspiracy theories section... thank you...
 
Hey guys,

I've been tearing up the highways for the past couple of days so I haven't been able to post much. But I feel I needed to say this.

I owe MSgt an apology. I have accused him several times now in true knee jerk fashion of being "soft" or not committed to his calling. I was wrong. After re reading, and going over what he is saying, he is far more eloquent than I in expressing exactly what the realities of our current state is.

Many of us in here tend to read quickly, and then with the loaded gun of the keyboard we lash out without truly reading or understanding what is being said. This is a problem when communication person to person is no longer in the equation.

In the future I hope to do better, and have more thoughtful postings, but as for now, MSgt, I offer my apologies, and can only hope that you will accept them in the spirit they are offered.

Semper Fi Marine.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Hey guys,

I've been tearing up the highways for the past couple of days so I haven't been able to post much. But I feel I needed to say this.

I owe MSgt an apology. I have accused him several times now in true knee jerk fashion of being "soft" or not committed to his calling. I was wrong. After re reading, and going over what he is saying, he is far more eloquent than I in expressing exactly what the realities of our current state is.

Many of us in here tend to read quickly, and then with the loaded gun of the keyboard we lash out without truly reading or understanding what is being said. This is a problem when communication person to person is no longer in the equation.

In the future I hope to do better, and have more thoughtful postings, but as for now, MSgt, I offer my apologies, and can only hope that you will accept them in the spirit they are offered.

Semper Fi Marine.

j-mac
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MSgt said:
It makes perfect economic sense. North Korea is no "frontline" for either the U.S. or China. It is a burden for both and the tradition of seeing North Korea as the future battle site between an imagined Chinese and American Cold War friction was never anything but shallow thought.




Well, anything is possible, but China will not jeopardize economic ties to the U.S. at a time when it is trying to grow. A war that ultimately pits the U.S. against China would wreck both economies and markets all over the world. If it came down to it, they will turn their backs on North Korea because North Korea is obviously the antagonizer in the entire world's eyes. China backing up North Korea in the event that they push a war just isn't tactically sound. China is a rational player.
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This, essentially.

Furthermore, not only is North Korea an antagoniser of China's main business partner, it is a thorn in China's own side. Having an unruly little satellite country never looks good, and when that unruly satellite goes around trying to start wars with nations they can't defeat (thus relying on the mother nation for their supposed victory), that satellite starts to quickly alienate its few allies.

Also, to all of the people saying "if the US went to war with NK, Russia and China would side with NK", that's just flat out wrong. MSgt has explained why the Chinese would come down against North Korea, and I'll do the same for Russia.

It's very simple -- Russia has just recently built itself back up to the status of world power, and is now in good standing with most of the EU, the US and China. It's got major business deals with all three of those economic blocs, and it has every reason to side with them in the event of an escalating war.

On the other hand, there is absolutely no rationale for why Russia, a highly pragmatic nation, would fight to defend a rogue and radical country that has, in the past, fired ICBMs over Russian territorial waters. There are in fact thousands of Russian troops in the Vladivostok region, purely for the purpose of security against North Korea.
 
Le Marteau said:
On the other hand, there is absolutely no rationale for why Russia, a highly pragmatic nation, would fight to defend a rogue and radical country that has, in the past, fired ICBMs over Russian territorial waters. There are in fact thousands of Russian troops in the Vladivostok region, purely for the purpose of security against North Korea.
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Russian/American relations are going to deteriorate. The New Start Treaty will not be ratified. As a result Medvedyev will lose power to the Putin faction. Russia will return to Putinism. Putinism is based on frustrating American power and influence everywhere on earth.
 
ludahai said:
Scroll a little lower please for the conspiracy theories section... thank you...
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Tsk, tsk, tsk. It's not a conspiracy theory that the world is round my dear.
 
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