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North Korea reportedly fires at South

The DPRK is under China's complete protection militarily and diplomatically. Americans are too divided to fight anyone effectively. Americans need to stop pretending they are still the same people that won WWII.
 
creativedreams said:
Basically global war is inevitable to happen.....no matter what lights the fuse.

It is mathmatically better for the U.S. to be in a global war now instead of a few years from now....especially with it being imminent for China to be the most powerful country eventually.

The world is at a tipping point in so many issues that it truly is inevitable for a total global conflict.

China will very likely back N Korea in a conflict.....and in turn Russia will likely back China

If America waits much longer for the imminent global conflict then the less chance of America's survival.

Anyone with an I.Q. high enough can see the clear and distinct pattern and steps leading up to a total global war....
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I pray to God that you don't believe what you are saying or for that matter what the others are saying about let's get em.

There can be no winner in a global war and most of the people who are talking about was would not service if one was to come our way.

Both China and Russia have the means wipe the majority of our population and we still have enough to take care of theirs a couple of times over.

Then there is the fall out that would blanket the globe and kill of most if any who were left regardless of where on earth they were.

This is a time when we need something we don't have, and that is a strong Person in the White House who has the ability to be strong and yet resist the fools who want to cause this situation to escalate out of control.

China will only because the dominant Super Power if we allow the weak kneed limp wristed Obama to remain in office.

He is not strong and he is too naive to claim to be a diplomat, hell like I said before he's barely qualified to negotiate the price of a taco from a Tijuana street vendor.

It's time to talk this situation over with China and Hillary Rotten Clinton is not up to the job. I'd enlist the help of a warrior, Colon Powell to do the talking.

I can't believe that China wants to be wiped out any more than we do, I would like to know what it is that China truly thinks the North is trying to accomplish by the sinking of a ship and now this.

My biggest fear after Obama causing and escalation is him bowing down to the North and giving into their demands what ever they may be because at heart Obama is a coward who travels world kissing ass and apologizing like the damned Anti-American he has shown himself to be.

It takes strength sometimes to hold back and yet present a strong determination and will, and Obama has been weighed he has been measured and he has been found to be lacking at every course of endeavor thus far.

No one in their right mind wants another war. But then from a few post I see here it's up in the air who is in their right mind.
 
creativedreams said:
Basically global war is inevitable to happen.....no matter what lights the fuse.

It is mathmatically better for the U.S. to be in a global war now instead of a few years from now....especially with it being imminent for China to be the most powerful country eventually.

The world is at a tipping point in so many issues that it truly is inevitable for a total global conflict.

China will very likely back N Korea in a conflict.....and in turn Russia will likely back China

If America waits much longer for the imminent global conflict then the less chance of America's survival.

Anyone with an I.Q. high enough can see the clear and distinct pattern and steps leading up to a total global war....
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I hate to agree with you but I think perhaps your are correct. History does repeat it's self time after time with us human species who fail to learn from our past mistakes.
 
I am all for diplomacy and peace, but South Korea needs to to stop letting the north push them around. It's time for the south and Japan to use full military action. Diplomacy is NOT working and the attacks against South Korea get worse every time.
 
donsutherland1 said:
This is the kind of provocation North Korea has often carried out when its pressure/blackmail/extortion tactics don't yield it the desired benefits. In the wake of this act of naked aggression, it is imperative that South Korea, the U.S. and other countries refrain from increasing assistance to North Korea. Until the North Korean regime begins to understand that neither extortion efforts nor military aggression will produce benefits, it will not likely change its behavior.
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If NK's ability to feed it's people has deteriorated to the point where far too many people are starving--especially if the politically elite and the military are going hungry--then NK will be forced, out of necessity, to invade the much more prosperous South, so as to obtain a working source of food.

Basically, my point is, this may not be their usual extortion to try and scare the crap out of everyone. It could possibly be an attempt, by the NK government to maintain control in the face of a starving, out of control populace.
 
Phantom said:
I am all for diplomacy and peace, but South Korea needs to to stop letting the north push them around. It's time for the south and Japan to use full military action. Diplomacy is NOT working and the attacks against South Korea get worse every time.
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Japan doesn't have enough combat power to launch an offensive.

Not to mention, the Koreans and the Japanese hate each other's guts and livers.
 
apdst said:
Japan doesn't have enough combat power to launch an offensive.

Not to mention, the Koreans and the Japanese hate each other's guts and livers.
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Hate is a strong word. They don't hate each other. They have many differences but what they both have in common is opposition to the North Korean regime. Mainstream media has already reported that the Japanese have but their troops on high alert.
 
Phantom said:
Hate is a strong word. They don't hate each other.
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Uh, yeah, they do. They've hated each other for centuries and the Sokos haven't forgotten about the atrocities committed by Japan during it's colonization of Korea, from 1910-1945. During this time, there was the Kanto Massacre, where 6,000 Koreans were murdered. The Empress Myeong-Seong was murdered by Japanese hitmen. The Japanese rounded up 100,000-200,000 Korean women to be used as sex slaves; they were known as, "comfort women". 300,000 to 1 million Koreans were used as slave labor. Unit 731 was organized by the Japanese, to perform outrageous human experiments on Koreans. It was basically an Asian version of the Holocaust. Yeah, the Koreans hate the Japanese.

They have many differences but what they both have in common is opposition to the North Korean regime. Mainstream media has already reported that the Japanese have but their troops on high alert.
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The Japanese have their troops on high alert, but it's to defend Japan, not to launch an offensive measure to protect SoKo. I doubt that SoKo would allow Japanese troops to be landed on Korean soil. Diplomatically speaking, that could be the worst thing. It may cause an alliance between the North and the South, against Japan. Can you say, "jumping out of the frying pan into the fire"?
 
Gill said:
Your partisan "shrillness" is exposed by not quoting the first person to bring it up.... Lord Tammerlain
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zimmer said:
They know when to push. Clinton... now Carter II. When you have a weakling and apologist as president, it invites these scenarios.

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Gill read the above and tell me that was not paritisian shrillness
 
American said:
The question is, what is China trying to accomplish with this latest event?
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If and it is an if

China was behind this I would suggest it is cause the US to pull some naval and resources out the Persian Gulf region
 
Infinite Chaos said:
The threads may get merged and you're back to whether Obama fired on South Korea to start today's events or whether it was George Bush who killed North Korean babies and provoked it all.
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Now that's funny I don't care what side of the political aisle you're on! :lamo:lamo:lamo
 
apdst said:
Uh, yeah, they do. They've hated each other for centuries and the Sokos haven't forgotten about the atrocities committed by Japan during it's colonization of Korea, from 1910-1945. During this time, there was the Kanto Massacre, where 6,000 Koreans were murdered. The Empress Myeong-Seong was murdered by Japanese hitmen. The Japanese rounded up 100,000-200,000 Korean women to be used as sex slaves; they were known as, "comfort women". 300,000 to 1 million Koreans were used as slave labor. Unit 731 was organized by the Japanese, to perform outrageous human experiments on Koreans. It was basically an Asian version of the Holocaust. Yeah, the Koreans hate the Japanese.
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Relations between the two countries have improved since WW2 and we already know what Japanese Empire did to them so you don't have to repeat something that is in every history book. Both countries have normalized relationships. They are not enemies who want to destroy each other anymore. Koreans are looking at their real enemy which is the north.

The Japanese have their troops on high alert, but it's to defend Japan, not to launch an offensive measure to protect SoKo. I doubt that SoKo would allow Japanese troops to be landed on Korean soil. Diplomatically speaking, that could be the worst thing. It may cause an alliance between the North and the South, against Japan. Can you say, "jumping out of the frying pan into the fire"?
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Exactly, Japan put it's troops on high alert to defend against North Korea because both countries consider that regime a threat. Japan fears in some way they will get involved. There is a chance North Korea would fire missiles at Japan or get into a confrontation at sea. I never said Japan would have to land troops on the penensila to fight the war.

For the sake of getting back on topic let's just say Japan has no involvement what so ever in the war. South Korea is still stronger then North Korea. Can we at least agree on that or continue wasting time arguing about Japan?
 
Demon of Light said:
While further escalation may make war unavoidable at this point it is quite possible to calm tensions.
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I would't be so sure, SK's president is calling for a "enormous retaliation" now:

After North Korean strike, South Korean leader threatens 'retaliation'

After North Korean strike, South Korean leader threatens 'retaliation' - CNN.com

Even the strongest political leaders have a point where they can't be seen as constantly taking it on the chin and their patience has been tried too far.
 
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If I was China right now I would be negotiating the retaliation that SK can do, while telling NK what retaliation they will allow

Basically I would allow for SK to attack the positions that fired on them, destroying the artillery in the process. No more then that, and I would threaten NK not to respond to it.

From an economic and geopolitical standpoint South Korea is far more important to China then NK is. The only value NK is to China is to keep a large concentration of US forces away from its direct boarder.
 
Phantom said:
Relations between the two countries have improved since WW2 and we already know what Japanese Empire did to them so you don't have to repeat something that is in every history book. Both countries have normalized relationships. They are not enemies who want to destroy each other anymore. Koreans are looking at their real enemy which is the north.
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Just like the Jews and the Nazis have made amends. Eh?



Exactly, Japan put it's troops on high alert to defend against North Korea because both countries consider that regime a threat. Japan fears in some way they will get involved. There is a chance North Korea would fire missiles at Japan or get into a confrontation at sea. I never said Japan would have to land troops on the penensila to fight the war.
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Because Japan sees NorKo as a threat to Japan. They could give a **** about SoKo.



South Korea is still stronger then North Korea. Can we at least agree on that or continue wasting time arguing about Japan?
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You brought it up, not me. I was only correcting your erroneous comments.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
If I was China right now I would be negotiating the retaliation that SK can do, while telling NK what retaliation they will allow

Basically I would allow for SK to attack the positions that fired on them, destroying the artillery in the process. No more then that, and I would threaten NK not to respond to it.

From an economic and geopolitical standpoint South Korea is far more important to China then NK is. The only value NK is to China is to keep a large concentration of US forces away from its direct boarder.
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If you were China, right now, you would be sticking with your Communist brothers. What's China going to do? Abandon NorKo and allow them to be overwhlemed by the Democratic South Korea?

Some folks need a serious history lesson, prior to posting on this issue.
 
Deuce said:
Well, on the other hand, every South Korean I've met has been really friendly.
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Same here except for one exception. We had one that had mental problems at my university. Otherwise they were very polite low key individuals.
 
apdst said:
Just like the Jews and the Nazis have made amends. Eh?
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The Nazi's aren't around anymore. You fail.

Because Japan sees NorKo as a threat to Japan. They could give a **** about SoKo.
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Yay! Finally we are getting somewhere! Woo Hoo! That's what I've been trying to say until you got started acting like a jerk.

You brought it up, not me. I was only correcting your erroneous comments.
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Cool, does that mean I get to direct you back on topic?
 
apdst said:
If you were China, right now, you would be sticking with your Communist brothers. What's China going to do? Abandon NorKo and allow them to be overwhlemed by the Democratic South Korea?

Some folks need a serious history lesson, prior to posting on this issue.
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And some people need to understand that things do change

China is no where near the same country it was in 1970. SK is far more important a country to China now then NK is

It wont allow SK to overwhelm NK as its security intesests will be comprised
 
Hoplite said:
Except it isnt that simple. You risk pulling China in and that is war we cannot win.
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Do you think China is just going to kiss a trillion dollars in US bonds goodbye because of NK? China doesn't need to go to war with the US, they already have us on a leash.

The NK's and SK's do not want a war. It would devastate both sides without even the certainty of a unification and they know it. They have been stepping on each other's toes since the truce and technically they're still at war with each other.
 
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