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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Debate Politics: UPDATE

    N. Korea deploys SA-2 surface-to-air missiles near Yellow Sea border

    SEOUL, Nov. 28 (Yonhap) -- North Korea has deployed SA-2 surface-to-air missiles to its west coast near the Yellow Sea border with South Korea as U.S.-led naval drills got underway in a show of force against the North's deadly artillery attack on a South Korean island earlier last week, government sources said Sunday.

    "(The missiles) appear to be targeting our fighter jets that fly near the Northern Limit Line (NLL)," the source said on customary condition of anonymity, referring to the Yellow Sea border.

    N. Korea deploys SA-2 surface-to-air missiles near Yellow Sea border

    U.S., South Korea launch war games; N. Korea deploys missiles

    YEONPYEONG ISLAND, South Korea The United States and South Korea launched war games Sunday as North Korea deployed missiles and threatened another attack if military exercises violate its territorial waters.
    China said it would join efforts to ease the "worrisome" situation.
    An artillery round was fired from North Korea on Sunday, officials said, triggering an evacuation order on Yeonpyeong Island, where four people died Tuesday in the North's bombardment. The order was lifted when no shells hit the tiny Yellow Sea home of fishing enclaves and military outposts.

    U.S., South Korea launch war games - World news - Asia-Pacific - North Korea - msnbc.com
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    This isn't the ancient world where the armies meet on the battlefield with equal weapons and have only their numbers to largely determine a victor. I don't know why people resort to this. American technology and training is more than enough to handle North Korea. If it came to a ground war, half their military and virtually all their support systems would be destroyed before the average American troop crossed the border.
    Technology and training has always had an impact in war. The Hittites superior weapons, the superior command and formations of the Macedonian phalanx with their superior weapons as well, the Mongols lighning strikes, Spaniards armor and weapons... technology and training has ALWAYS had an impact in determining winner and loser...
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    The United States and the Soviet Union.
    Glad you got that right... Though, it isn't like the US and USSR were on good terms when it happened...
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    You are welcome to set your emotions aside and actually introduce the grand practical solution to dealing with an irrational nuclear nation that is fond of launching missiles into its neighbors land and seas.
    My emotions? You maybe have been through a few too many **** measuring contests with your fellow meat heads to understand that this is twice now I have seen you post nothing but defeatist crap. As for solutions, I vote sir, neither now, nor when I was in did I have a role that would have allowed me to as much as offer an opinion as to what should be done as a global response to a rouge nation with nukes that a former liberal president of the US made possible for him.

    Every think tank in Washington has been without solution for the last 15 years, but maybe you have the magic wand. South Korea and Japan have been tormented by North Korean bullying.
    Maybe if these think tanks weren't staffed head to toe with UN type career libs, and we weren't paid for by NK's big brother China we could exhibit a little backbone.

    South Korea and Japan have been tormented by North Korean bullying. You think its cowardice that the U.S. and the UN has focused solely on writing strongly worded letters of condemnation with China ignoring it?
    It sure ain't bold is it now?

    You think China has the magic wand? What's your solution?
    I think China carries a great deal of weight with Il, don't you? My solution? I have the luxury of not having to have a solution, especially one where I am not privy to everything surrounding the situation, oh BTW neither do you have these facts Sarge. But I do know this, If I still awoke every morning to don the uniform of this great nation, I would not be posting such weak kneed pap.

    Oh, and before you vomit some rediculous scheme, keep in mind that we fought an entire nuclear Cold War with the rational Soviet Union and not once did either side engage against each other.
    At least then the USSR knew we had strong leaders, not like today.

    Do you know why? Because nuclear bombs have a way of obliterating militaries. So let's hear it. Besides a Army dog's desire to create more "Custer's Last Stands," "Mai Lais," or "Abu Ghraibs," what is your solution?
    Maybe you should retire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    In my opinions IEDs defined the combat environment in Iraq, primarily because it slowed everything down so much for US forces. As well as being a transporter, IEDs define my operations in so many ways. Where I can go, how I get there, when I leave, how fast do I drive, how far apart the trucks are, etc etc.

    And if we consider IEDs as part of a wider guerrilla warfare strategy, than it also defined our conflict to win over the locals. They also had to put up with that constant fear and being asked to trust US forces for security while at the same time knowing the US couldnt protect them from everything was very difficult.

    Well, of course it was a part of the environment. But it was not the impact on military operations people think. They were a consideration just like any other. We adapted and the mission went on. Stronger trucks and IED detectors were developed. Food and ammo was delivered. It's like a sniper that spends days shooting at patrols. He is a consideration, but patrols go on. In 2003, the threat of gas atack had troops wearing NBC suits all the way to Baghdad, but the mission was not deterred. The only great impact IEDs had was on the civilian populace back home who was led to believe that every blast meant nuclear explosion and defeat. For troops on the ground it was merely a part of the war.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Now as for your 2nd paragraph, you're are talking about something completely different. I don't disagree in the least that drama sells, in fact that in my opinion is what the primary motivator was for many news outlets to talk about the war, along with with the fact that the war was also actual news.

    HOWEVER, apdst was arguing the media was anti-war, not that they were drama loving or that they wanted to use the war for profit to sell papers and newstime. No, he said they were anti war and broadcast-ed so much news about IEDs because they had a topic "could blow out of proportion, so as to undermine the American war effort."
    Look at it this way. With FOX gloryfying everything about the war to cater to pro-Bush Republican ties and CNN chastizing everything in order to cater to anti-Bush Democrats, it is not a hard leap to accuse the media of being anti-war (all the rest may as well have been CNN disciples). No matter the media's political motives, no troop felt that the media was on his side (except for obnoxious FOX).


    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post

    See the difference? Perhaps you should take a bit of time out of your self-righteous textual vomit figure out what people are talking about.

    And lastly about Justbubba thanking me, I'm glad to see you two still believe in guilt by association.
    I guess I deserved that. I am very arrogant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    My emotions?
    Yes....your emotions. You immediately jumped out to attack the Marine Corps in sophomoric Army fashion.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You maybe have been through a few too many **** measuring contests with your fellow meat heads.......
    And more emotions in typical sophomoric Army fashion. You conitnue to prove that you have an inferiority complex.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Maybe if these think tanks weren't staffed head to toe with UN type career libs, and we weren't paid for by NK's big brother China we could exhibit a little backbone.
    Like what? You complain about the U.S. lacking a backbone for not rushing into invading an irrationally nuclear armed opponent.

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    My solution? I have the luxury of not having to have a solution..... , especially one where I am not privy to everything surrounding the situation, oh BTW neither do you have these facts Sarge. But I do know this, If I still awoke every morning to don the uniform of this great nation, I would not be posting such weak kneed pap.

    So...you have no solution. Merely criticizing others for not having one? Are we "great" or are we lacking a backbone?

    Your "luxury" of not having a solution doesn't stop you from imagining that there is one that nobody's tried over the last couple decades. What I have is common sense and the ability to see a situation for what it is. It has nothing to do with defeatism or weak knees. Of course, you also have the luxury of not having to rush into North Korean nuclear blasts don't you? With half our military dead under a cloud you can have the satisfaction that we at least showed some backbone under our stupidity. And then you can pop a cold one and flip the channel.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    At least then the USSR knew we had strong leaders, not like today.
    Well, this is an opinion that doesn't address the North Korean situation. You still dismiss the difference between a rational Soviet Union and an irrational North Korea. North Koreans have nothig to slose. They would call our bluff in front of the whole world and then we would look weak for not launching. You aren't thinking any of this through, which is why you are relying on your emotions to merely criticize.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Maybe you should retire.
    In 17 months. Got a year stint in Afghanistan to do first. Of course, retirement won't stop me from reading and understanding global situations and applying a bit of sense to it.

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    What's all this hooplah about South Korea being our "ally" and we must do anything and everything to protect them? Last I recall, no South Korean forces came to assist when after we lost 3,000 citizens in 9/11 and went into Afghanistan and Iraq in response to it. They loose two Marines and now they are our best friend and we must all take up arms and die for them? That seems like a very one sided alliance to me. Back in high school we used to call that a 68.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Of course you considered that photo; especially, since those people are mostly Vietnamese nationals and not the U.S. military and it was taken in 1975, three years after all US forces had withdrawn from Vietnam; in an orderly, phased withdrawel.

    But, hey; let's not let historical facts get in our way. Right?
    I'm sorry you are flat out wrong. We withdrew our last American forces in 1975 the year I graduated from High School.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean City View Post
    What's all this hooplah about South Korea being our "ally" and we must do anything and everything to protect them?
    Obligation. South Korea is an ally. They have allowed us to maintain bases in their country since the Korean War and we constantly train with their local force. Our allies all around the world trust us (despite the garbage they spew towards us for the public) to protect them because we don't simply run away. It's not "hooplah." It's global security and strength in numbers. We did the same for a divided Germany.

    Also, the American history has proven that our security very much relies on the health of foreign regions. Were it not for Barbary Pirates in the Med, our trades would not have been disrupted. Were it not for an unhealthy Asia, we would not have had to launch into the Pacific. Were it not for the unhealthy region of Europe, we wouldnothave been involved in two World Wars. We have a 9/11 and a billion terrorist organizations to remind us of how unhealthy the Middle East is. And the unhealthy HOA (Horn of Africa) has produced international pioracy in a major water way hasn't it?

    It's not as simple as hoping that the unhealthy environments of foriegn regions can't affect us. They always do and eventually they cause American deaths. World War II finally taught us that we canno longer secure our people and trades by isolating and keeping the world at arms length. They have proven far too irresponsible in their behaviors. In regards to North Korea, their nuclear threats and occassional missile launches (bullying) affect the entire region with a nervous China incapable of disciplining them properly. You think a nuclear attack from North Korea is in China's best interest?

    This is no small event. This is exaclty the sort of thing that America has seen in the past and refused to get involved until it had to cost millions of American lives. Unable to trust anybody else, we simply have to be the responsible ones.

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