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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i see your post and recognize that other than insisting china will have to loosen civil rights (for God only knows what reason), ....
    Apply the facts of creation and prosperity. Western capitalism and America's historical rise to never before seen power is largely due to culture. Nations cannot reach the heights of the West without the ability to create, design, and express. Inginuity largely comesfromthe civilian sector because civilians have the right to explore their minds and express creation. This manifests into technology and the greater the competition within a society, the greater the innovation. For this reason, I state that China will have to loosen social prescriptions in order to expand beyond the plateua they are headed for. And if they do not expand, they do not reach the American level.

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    you have posted NOTHING else specific which must be done to cause NK to change its ways, and absolutely nothing that the USA would be required to do to accomplish that end
    I believe I offerred exactly that. China is "allied" to North Korea. America is allied to South Korea. Neither America nor China is willing to engage in a proxy war over foolish North Korea. Unlike the Soviet/America scenario, America and China share strong economic ties that neither want disrupted or damaged. I have no doubts that North Korea has already received influential guidance to simmer down from China based on just this. Whether or not North Korea abides is up to them. They have been proven to be an irrational player in this world andthusly deserve no trust. But simmering North Korea is in China's and America's interests. This is more of a team effort than people think because they are too designed to believe that China is the next big bad wolf for America. It is not.


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    we will soon be eclipsed by china economically
    we will remain a nation strong militarily, but it will not be surprising if our role changes such that our economic might, which prevailed in the USA-ussr cold war, will then favor china during the approaching chinese-USA cold war
    This is based on emotion and not based on facts. Read the "Post-American World." People seem to confuse what is happening before their very eyes. People alkso seem toforget that before this world "belonged" to American influence, it was led by a muliple of empirical influences. The single power of America was never going to last. The "rise of the rest" does not mean the decline of the U.S. What it means, as is already becoming evident around the world, is that instead of America bearing the burden of far too much, leadership will be more of a team effort. This also means that what ever economy affects will also become a matter for a powerfully influential team. With the Euro severly dissapointing Europeans and others and Russia merely pretending back to power, the U.S., China, India, and Brazil are becoming the team. But without an honest look at culture (as India has done and Brazil is doing), China will only go so far. What Americans need to stop doing is behaving as if China is out to get them and stop believing what Europeans have to say about their self-importance to global matters.

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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

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    They tell them that any further aggression will result in a declaration of war, and mean it.
    Were still at a state of war with NK.
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

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    American troops have occupied South Korea since it was carved in half. This is the same scenario that Germany was in for 46 years. If it came down to having to defend South Korea, an "OK" is all South Korea is afforded. America would take it from there.
    South Korea still has an immense army I think you're disregarding. Their army is one of the largest in the world, with an active force of 500,000 plus 3 million in reserves.
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

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    Of course you can document these strawman that you have built.
    I only need point to Vietnam and Iraq.

    First, this imaginary they, who is THEY? I need something other than a strawman named “THEY” before I can reply. Take another sip of Kool-Aid and come up with something that makes at least a smidgen of sense.
    John Kerry and Harry Reid would form part of the "they".
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    South Korea still has an immense army I think you're disregarding. Their army is one of the largest in the world, with an active force of 500,000 plus 3 million in reserves.
    I doubt there would be any hand to hand combat.

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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    War is very messy and leads to more wars. If we hadn't divided Korea we wouldn't be dealing with this now.
    Your right, and this is another reason why the U.S. should keep politics and politicians out of the strategical planning room. If war is what we find ourselves involved in then lets fight a war like a war should be fought, other than that we should mind our own business.

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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    South Korea still has an immense army I think you're disregarding. Their army is one of the largest in the world, with an active force of 500,000 plus 3 million in reserves.
    This isn't the ancient world where the armies meet on the battlefield with equal weapons and have only their numbers to largely determine a victor. I don't know why people resort to this. American technology and training is more than enough to handle North Korea. If it came to a ground war, half their military and virtually all their support systems would be destroyed before the average American troop crossed the border.

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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    This isn't the ancient world where the armies meet on the battlefield with equal weapons and have only their numbers to largely determine a victor. I don't know why people resort to this. American technology and training is more than enough to handle North Korea. If it came to a ground war, half their military and virtually all their support systems would be destroyed before the average American troop crossed the border.
    yes, this easy means to accomplish our political objectives was so evident in iraq and afghanistan [/s]

    only alzsheimers could explain forgetting that so soon
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    QUOTE Grant

    I only need point to Vietnam and Iraq.


    You point at Viet Nam as an example of liberals not see any war through to completion. I was there ,we were told it was to stop the dominoes (commies) from rolling over SE Asia, starting with Vet Nam.

    Guess who was the President in charge when (Operation Frequent Wind.)When this picture was taken?

    If you chose Nixon,who campaigned on a promise of negotiations to end the Vietnam war, you win a trip up the Yellow Brick Road, the one west of Hue.


    John Kerry and Harry Reid would form part of the "they".
    Good for them for recognizing what a disaster the invasion of Iraq was on the cooked up evidence that shooter and company provided.


    If you feel the need to rehash this tired BS, start a thread. Are better yet, dig into the archives…I’m sure you can use your winger talking point” he voted for before he voted against “and come up with enough bull**** to keep you occupied until the new year.

    This thread is about North Korea shelling our ally, South Korea, not some winger talking points. Have a good day.
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I doubt there would be any hand to hand combat.
    If they're fighting a defensive ground war, it's going to come down to attrition. American firepower will bolster the South Korean army which will take all the major htis to slow down the North Koreans. The ROK would act as West Germany would have during the Cold War.
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