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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Don't stop there. They behaved badly under Clinton, Bush 1, Reagan, Carter etc. etc. Anyone remember the Pueblo?
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    I agree that the American Left, in its haste to realize the dream of utopia and rainbows, unwittingly weakens the nation, but let's not go too far with it. North Korea behaved badly under President Bush as well.

    The lesson to take away from this is that once these nations go nuke, they have a license to bully anyone they like. The Global Left (which is entirely different from the American Left and are mercilessly decrepit in their morality) would have the world believe that if we just give everybody nukes, then the universal system of MADD will prevail and lead us into a new peaceful era of mankind. Of course, this same lot also wishes to pretend that every nation on earth is rational and without religious motivations to see certain events unfold. Of course, this is about North Korea, which is a nation merely acting poorly without any sense of purpose to create a thriving society for its people. Imagine if "God" was on their side (to a greater degree, I mean.)

    It doesn't matter what Party sits in the White House. Nuclear capability gives a nation the right to behave however they like. The goal should be to deny those nations too untrustworthy to weild the power. Because as North Korea has proven, a strongly worded letter of condemnation is all the most powerful nation in history is left with.
    I agree and i think this is a fitting quote;
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    No it's a benign peaceful loving nirvana of a nation where everybody wears love beads and sings Kumbya. Never killed anyone. It's all lies lies, lies! They love us and all outsiders! For the love of God what planet do you live on?

    The nature of the DPRK is irrelevant. America has no interests on the Korean Peninsula that justify involvement militarily.


    Newsflash: It's not the left that sabre rattles and gets us into needless wars. It's the right. Where have you been the last two decades? Under a rock?

    I saw the left use the Second Iraq War for domestic political purposes. Now the precedent is established and will be used against Obama in his grand Afghan adventure.

    Riiiiiiight. No other president had ever had a problem with NK going back to 1953. It all started when "weak" Obama took office. Dude you're killing me here with your revisionist history. Do you really believe this or have you got some kind of axe to grind? I think it's the latter.

    In his first administration Bush attempted to deal with NK harshly. The left told him he was a failure, and should not be confrontational. So he changed policy and returned to the Clinton positon.

    We will cooperate with Obama on the issue of NK to the exact same extent the left cooperated with Bush's DPRK policy. You're right I have an axe to grind. I see the opportunity to discredit the left over NE Asia. Failure there will weaken America. The left will be blamed.


    Just ask George Bush and Dick Cheney about creating boogiemen for starting wars. They are experts at it. Michael Moore has never advocated war. What in the hell are you talking about?
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    This thing is going to have to be settled diplomatically. You are probably going to see a lot of saber rattling from the US and South Korea, but there will not be any actual attack on the DPRK due to the fact that any war South Korea enters, the US would have to back them and since the US is tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan, they will not be getting any help. Currently the US and South Korea are going to do or are currently doing military drills in China's EEZ, which is bad because that isn't making China particularly happy and that will not translate into them working with the US and Russia to try and calm down North Korea.

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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Agreed. They are probably sending weapons to NK as we speak. In a way this may be a test of our resolve or response for future reference. It would be a great diversion for our Navy while they take Taiwan. Or just a way to get us spread even thinner than we are.
    Safe to say people here in Taiwan are watching this closely, but I think the chances of the PRC making any overt moves against Taiwan now are remote... they prefer to curry favor with the current government of Taiwan, but any overt moves would hurt them electorally... then again, after the elections today are over, there are no more major elections here for another two years...
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Yeah, it's not like they could wipe our troops out in just a few nuclear blasts or nothing. When are you people going to get it? Once these nations gain nuclear capabilities, they are free to do as they please and there's nothing even the U.S. can do about it.
    I don't think serious ground ops are in the cards yet, but nukes aren't exactly useful against air strikes, and while control of the ground is in the final analysis what wins wars, the U.S. has scary has hell air capability it can bring to bear on the DPRK...
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    You think its cowardice that the U.S. and the UN has focused solely on writing strongly worded letters of condemnation with China ignoring it? You think China has the magic wand? What's your solution?
    I agree there are no good options here. China does have the ability to bring the DPRK to heel, but not only does it NOT do so, it actually serves to prop up the regime. This serves China's interests in a number of ways. 1. Always nice to have a proxy to divert the world from your own human rights and aggressive problems, 2. They would in no way want to have a U.S.-friendly ROK up along the Yalu River looking across at Dandong, 3. If the regime falls apart, there will be an even greater refugee issue across the border into the three Manchurian provinces of Liaoning, Jilin, and Heilongjiang, there there are already long-standing (been there for nearly 2000 years) Korean communities... China has no interest in seeing the DPRK fall apart and every reason to want to see it continue to cause problems that it knows have a very little chance of actually flaring up into something major for the very good reasons you and others have brought up in this thread...
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    With the technology and command of the skies available now on our side, I don't see it lasting as long as the last
    conflict, as long as China does not get involved with troops on the ground. I may be naive but I don't think they will commit troops. No doubt they will try and supply NK with more weapons but if the strategic planning is right on our side it will be too late.

    What I would love to see is a boycott of Chinese goods in this country if China tries to get involved. It's about time this country started making it's own goods and putting it's people back to work on jobs that have so far are gone forever.
    1. If the U.S. marches up toward the Yalu, I guarantee you the Chinese will get directly involved. I agree with you, initially, they would supply arms and so long as the U.S. doesn't threaten to actually topple the regime and try to install Seoul's control over the entire peninsula (if it were to get this far, it seems like a good bet they would, indeed, attempt to do this). If it DOES happen, China would get involved. -- this is a hypothetical as I don't believe things will get to that point in the short term. U.S. would be far more likely to engage in an air campaign (in the short term) rather than a massive ground invasion.

    2. Americans should already be boycotting Chinese goods for a variety of reasons. Their support of the DPRK is, in fact, only a minor reason compared to some of the others.
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    I say THIS is the war the war America was MADE for. Subs are probably going into position. DESTROY THEM!!!!
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