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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Yes. And in doing so, they lost about a million men. We lost less than 100,000 men, not even 10% of the casualties we inflicted.

    Needless to say, there is much more to war than control of the battlefield.
    ok. what is paramount to control of the battlefield when waging war?
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    Er... As I recall, when MacArthur got close to the Chinese border, the Chinese sent more than a million men to rout and defeat the American Army and push the Americans all the way back beyond the original dividing line, handing the Americans their worst defeat in over a eighty years.

    So which history books are you looking at?
    The same history books that tells us, that after the initial shock, allied forces started pushing back those, "1 million men".

    I also read the history books that tell us that China was able to present a million man front, because of a lack of battle space.
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

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    ok. what is paramount to control of the battlefield when waging war?
    When taken in conjunction, an ability to trade space for time, and to inflict vast casualties, like the Allies did in Korea, is more important than controlling the battlefield. Of course, in Korea, that'd work until there was no more space to give up, at which point the control of the battleflied would become important.

    Way I see it, if you can inflict a few thousand casulties, with a hundred or two of your own casulties, I'd take it.
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    When taken in conjunction, an ability to trade space for time, and to inflict vast casualties, like the Allies did in Korea, is more important than controlling the battlefield. Of course, in Korea, that'd work until there was no more space to give up, at which point the control of the battleflied would become important.

    Way I see it, if you can inflict a few thousand casulties, with a hundred or two of your own casulties, I'd take it.
    you would take it until their massive numbers overwhelmed your forces, such that you lost control of the battlefield and the engagement
    i do not see a position superior to being in control of the battlefield
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    When taken in conjunction, an ability to trade space for time, and to inflict vast casualties, like the Allies did in Korea, is more important than controlling the battlefield. Of course, in Korea, that'd work until there was no more space to give up, at which point the control of the battleflied would become important.

    Way I see it, if you can inflict a few thousand casulties, with a hundred or two of your own casulties, I'd take it.
    Controlling the battlefield = inflicting more damage upon the enemy's combat power.
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you would take it until their massive numbers overwhelmed your forces, such that you lost control of the battlefield and the engagement
    i do not see a position superior to being in control of the battlefield
    Unless their massive numbers were inserted into the battlespace piecemeal. When Sherman sent his men in, piecemeal, at 1st Manassas, his brigade was slaughtered, although he had overwhelming forces. Ultimately, the Federal Army lost the battle, because they weren't experienced enough to know better than to send their units in one-at-a-time. It was a valuable lesson learned.
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Unless their massive numbers were inserted into the battlespace piecemeal. When Sherman sent his men in, piecemeal, at 1st Manassas, his brigade was slaughtered, although he had overwhelming forces. Ultimately, the Federal Army lost the battle, because they weren't experienced enough to know better than to send their units in one-at-a-time. It was a valuable lesson learned.
    again, lost contol of the battlefield
    there is no substitute for maintaining control of the battlefield
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

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    ok. what is paramount to control of the battlefield when waging war?
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you would take it until their massive numbers overwhelmed your forces, such that you lost control of the battlefield and the engagement
    i do not see a position superior to being in control of the battlefield
    Assuming they have enough men to sustain a million casulties and shrug it off. It really comes down to which gives first, land or men. And its an awful big world. I really can't imagine an army being able to sustain the type of losses the Chinese took, and keep going for very long. In the last days of the Korean War, the American had caught its collective breath on the 38th, and they were ready to counterattack. The Chinese/North Koreans had lost a total of one million men up to that point, and we'd lost less then 50,000. With numbers that heavily swayed, if we kept going, we would've won the Korean War, and absolutely crushed the Chinese Army. Granted the world very well might have ended after that.

    Let me put it to you this way, if you can find an army that can bring enough men to a given theater of war to easily sustain a 20 casulties for 1 casulty inflicted, and still maintain enough men to keep going battle after battle, until the war ends, I'll concede this point. But the simple fact of the matter is, you can't. Even historically, the Persians won at Thermoplyae but cleared the way for the decisive Greek victory at Plataea because they no longer had the numbers and morale. And that wasn't close to a 20-to-1 loss ratio.
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Debate Politics: UPDATE

    FLASH: North Korea rejects talks proposal from U.S. forces in South Korea, says South Korean government source: Yonhap
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    FLASH: North Korea warns of more retaliatory attacks for new south "provocations"
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