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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Lol I'm not, that's your delusion not mine. Why didn't you just come out and ask "why do you hate freedom?"
    Well feel free to explain to me the fairly obvious insinuation you made above:

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    I think people portray in their mind whenever they picture a dictatorship some kind of 1984-esque situation where the government is omniscient and omnipresent, and where the common man works long hours for little pay to purchase substandard goods, and that he is threatened at every corner with banishment to the work camps or execution for any single word that escapes his mouth that could be construed as in opposition to the current order, and that the police come and beat him up and take all his stuff whenever they want, etc... In reality that really isn't the case.
    The upshot of this being that the mainstream consensus on North Korea is too negative.

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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    The upshot of this being that the mainstream consensus on North Korea is too negative.
    Not too negative, just unrealistic. That was obvious when I said "In reality that really isn't the case."
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Not too negative, just unrealistic. That was obvious when I said "In reality that really isn't the case."
    ...which was the exact suggestion that I refuted above...

    It is patently clear that North Korea is the most Orwellian state on the planet.

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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Also, some more information:
    The Russians and the Chinese would never support NK in a war. They risk too much economically, politcally, diplomatically, etc...
    SK would win a war with NK. The NK's nukes will never work as there's interception missiles in SK to stop the nukes. However, SK will suffer huge damages as Seoul, our capital is in range of NK artillery (I, too is in Seoul)
    The NK military has mostly outdated weaponry. They use weapons dating as well as back to WWII. Our nw K-2 tanks, K-9 howitzers, etc.... are more than a match for them.
    However, the biggest threat is from assysmetric warfare
    NK Special Forces number more than 100000 (the biggest in the world), and their submarine fleet is considerable.

    Yet, SK will win a war with NK
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    ...which was the exact suggestion that I refuted above...
    LOL yes you totally destroyed me with that link to a wikipedia page. Cool story bro
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    I'm glad that I go to work and everyone resorts to calling eachother war hungry, or not patriotic enough. Let us all agree on one thing:

    **** North Korea.

    I told a few people at work about this and they freaked out. Of course, this is one of those "no no don't do that" but I asked a few of the Japanese at work how they feel about it and well, they essentially said it freaks them out a lot.
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    The best way to deal with NK is to just treat it like a rabied dog and eventually it'll die a natural death like the Soviet Union.

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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    LOL yes you totally destroyed me with that link to a wikipedia page. Cool story bro
    A classic fallacy - attack the source, not the actual information itself. And, oh, did it occur to you that those wikipedia pages were supported by a wide variety of totally unreliable sources such as Amnesty International and the UNHCHR? Sometimes it actually pays to read something all the way to the bottom before you attempt to criticise it.

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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    The viewpoint of the DPRK on this is blatantly obvious: RoK was performing simulated invasions of their country with live firing in disputed waters. The North reacted, in my opinion, with extreme restraint in this instance, as I think any sane person in the position of the DPRK would consider that an act of war and prepare accordingly. They did not retaliate (i.e. not attack) against the RoK simply to get some attention.
    The only problem with that hypothesis is that North Korea knew in advance that the military exercises were just that, exercises. Hence, North Korea was fully aware that there was no offensive intent to the military activity, which negates the theory of a preemptive attack aimed at thwarting an invasion. North Korea's surprise attack was nothing but an act of naked aggression as part of a larger strategy aimed at (1) procuring some kind of concession(s) and/or (2) ultimately gaining recognition as a nuclear weapons state so as to solidify Kim's Songun policy. Indeed, the latter is supported by a recent Washington Post story that reported, "The North Korean government told a team of visiting American experts last week that it would effectively dismantle one of its nuclear weapons programs if the United States again pledged that it had 'no hostile intent' toward the government of Kim Jong Il, a member of the delegation said." In other words, North Korea is trying to shift the playing field from denuclearizing the Korean Peninsula into its eliminating one of two or more nuclear programs.
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The only problem with that hypothesis is that North Korea knew in advance that the military exercises were just that, exercises. Hence, North Korea was fully aware that there was no offensive intent to military activity, which negates the theory of a preemptive attack aimed at thwarting an invasion. North Korea's suprise attack was nothing but an act of naked aggression as part of a larger strategy aimed at (1) procuring some kind of concession(s) and/or (2) ultimately gaining recognition as a nuclear weapons state so as to solidify Kim's Songun policy. Indeed, the latter is supported by a recent Washington Post story that reported, "The North Korean government told a team of visiting American experts last week that it would effectively dismantle one of its nuclear weapons programs if the United States again pledged that it had 'no hostile intent' toward the government of Kim Jong Il, a member of the delegation said." In other words, North Korea is trying to shift the playing field from denuclearizing the Korean Peninsula into its eliminating one of two or more nuclear programs.
    Excellent post.
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