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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Japan was the largest buyer of American scrap metal, in the world...prior to 1941.
    And we beat them. Bad. Hell, beating them saved our economy. It would be in our economic interests to go to war with China, not vice versa. And those Commies have grown used to being rich.
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The US, or even the UN does not have the legal power to do so
    Not a legal, but a procedural issue.

    The 5 'permanent' members are so because they were the victors in WWII. They each have the power to veto anything the council as a whole agrees to. So, even if a vote were held, and all members of the security council voted one way, the hold out could veto it... thus making it procedurally impossible to vote one of the 5 'permanent' members out.

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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    What would the US do if China started performing military exercises off the coast of California simulating the invasion of the country? Would that be perceived as an act of war or not? Or are we just all jumping on the "DPRK are a bunch of nutjobs" wagon?

    The RoK's policy toward the DPRK of a strong hand has proven to be a complete and abysmal failure. Those calling for even stronger retaliatory measures are simply demanding to have their own collective heads to be smashed ever harder against the wall. The DPRK government is not going to collapse overnight; no policy towards the DPRK that does not recognize that fact will meet with any success. This includes the whole "DPRK are psychos" mindset.

    The same goes for Iran.
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    What would the US do if China started performing military exercises off the coast of California simulating the invasion of the country?
    If China possessed an island that was within a hundred miles or so of California and had an unresolved war with us that has been in a tenuous "cease fire" that has been routinely stressed over the last 50 years, then that may be legitimate question.
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    If China possessed an island that was within a hundred miles or so of California and had an unresolved war with us that has been in a tenuous "cease fire" that has been routinely stressed over the last 50 years, then that may be legitimate question.
    In any case that would be considered an act of war.
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Or are we just all jumping on the "DPRK are a bunch of nutjobs" wagon?
    Not at all. Communist or not, the DPRK has a few smart people in its government. These people are smart enough to know that going to war against South Korea would be national suicide, and they can't count on Communist Solidarity to bring in China on their side. These people have prevented war from happening as often as the South Korean smart people.
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Interesting article following up on this. I'm not sure I buy it, but some of the reasoning makes a little bit of sense: they're doing this to force us back to the negotiations, where they'll ask for aid.

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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    In any case that would be considered an act of war.
    Its much more like Mexico conducting drills off of their coast, near the border with California or Texas. And how do you know the drill was an invasion plan?
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter
    Not at all. Communist or not, the DPRK has a few smart people in its government. These people are smart enough to know that going to war against South Korea would be national suicide, and they can't count on Communist Solidarity to bring in China on their side. These people have prevented war from happening as often as the South Korean smart people.
    repeter I'm not simply talking about people on this forum. I know you're smarter than the average bear, and I can respect that. But the way that this is being played out in the major media outlets as well as the overall opinion put forward by both officials from the RoK and the US and the popular opinion is that "North Korea attacked South Korea" seemingly completely unprovoked, in order to get some attention.

    Seriously, this is the dumbest load of crap I've ever heard. The viewpoint of the DPRK on this is blatantly obvious: RoK was performing simulated invasions of their country with live firing in disputed waters. The North reacted, in my opinion, with extreme restraint in this instance, as I think any sane person in the position of the DPRK would consider that an act of war and prepare accordingly. They did not retaliate (i.e. not attack) against the RoK simply to get some attention.

    The aggressors in this instance were blatantly the South, who could very well have been attempting to provoke the North as a means of diverting attention from their crazy domestic issues. Now, I wouldn't necessarily argue that, I just wanted to point out that that silly argument cuts both ways.
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    What would the US do if China started performing military exercises off the coast of California simulating the invasion of the country? Would that be perceived as an act of war or not? Or are we just all jumping on the "DPRK are a bunch of nutjobs" wagon?

    The RoK's policy toward the DPRK of a strong hand has proven to be a complete and abysmal failure. Those calling for even stronger retaliatory measures are simply demanding to have their own collective heads to be smashed ever harder against the wall. The DPRK government is not going to collapse overnight; no policy towards the DPRK that does not recognize that fact will meet with any success. This includes the whole "DPRK are psychos" mindset.

    The same goes for Iran.
    Both of these things can be true. We're assholes, AND they're lunatics.
    (although they aren't suicidal)
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