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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Problem is, no matter how fast, the North Koreans would get at least one NUKE off. Where, is anyones guess? I see troops on the ground to pull something that quick and devastating off. All combined forces aworking as one, and it would require a good amount of NATO, if not UN (Smirk) support. Problem is that to drum up that support, NK will have time. Time to prepare. That said, I don't see how, without China's help, North Korea suvives a modern invasion. Yes, they do damage (A lesson for ever allowing Iran to get NUKES), but NK would cease to exist. The damage they inflict on some unsuspecting nation, Japan perhaps, is weighed against the effort to remove the regime, and replace it. Is it worth it? There are a great many people with more information than I that are debating that very subject right now.

    Obama, on the other hand, is thnking politically. Politcs will direct his decision, and if it turns out in his mind that politically, it's best to play hardball with more sanctions, then that is what it will be. All the while, making it even more difficult for the next President to resolve.


    My guess is that the Norht Korean army would provide stiff resistance at first, but then buckle as their lines of communication get cut. Just like what happened in Iraq.



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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Speaking of the devil, where is the UN on all this? Silent as a lamb.
    The UN has condemned the attack

    Given the UN does not have a military it does not have much more other then promote sanctions
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Today? The state of things has changed. China and the U.S. have far more reason to get along than to get in a fight, North Korea is now even more of a liability, and in the long run South Korea will leave our orbit and enter China's. That does not mean China has no interest at the moment in keeping North Korea around, but if they start making a scene you are more likely to see Chinese tanks rolling into Pyongyang to stop the North rather than assist them.

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    That doesn't mean we're wrong this time. Back then, we were in a Cold War, of Capitalism vs. Communism. Now, China has combined a free market with communist regulations, and if it attacks the largest free market in the world, its free market is giong to collapse. Remember, the United States represents the demand for their country's goods, and they lose that if we got to war.
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The UN has condemned the attack

    Given the UN does not have a military it does not have much more other then promote sanctions
    I think the US should make a move to have China removed as a permanent member if they don't clamp down on Kim Jong ILL.
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    All the lives on the Korean Peninsula are not worth a single drop of American blood. This is not America's fight.
    I served iin Korea. I was in the 2nd Infantry Division. At this time we have 28,000 troops in the ROK. The mission of these troops is a first line of defense. American troops are in the ROK for this purpose not as advisors. You may not believe this is our fight, thats fine. But since the cease fire in 1953 our government has chosen to help Korea defend the DMZ at the request of our friends and allies. I disagree with you when you say all of the lives on the Korean Peninsula are not worth a single drop of American blood. First of all 53,686 American military personal gave thier lives defending South Korea against the communist north and China. The decisson has allready been made to help defend the South from military agression from the increasingly hostile North. And If this escalates into an all out ground war Americans will fight to the death to help defend Asia's most successful democracy.

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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I think the US should make a move to have China removed as a permanent member if they don't clamp down on Kim Jong ILL.
    Yeah like that would ever happen? LOL

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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    I served iin Korea. I was in the 2nd Infantry Division. At this time we have 28,000 troops in the ROK. The mission of these troops is a first line of defense. American troops are in the ROK for this purpose not as advisors. You may not believe this is our fight, thats fine. But since the cease fire in 1953 our government has chosen to help Korea defend the DMZ at the request of our friends and allies. I disagree with you when you say all of the lives on the Korean Peninsula are not worth a single drop of American blood. First of all 53,686 American military personal gave thier lives defending South Korea against the communist north and China. The decisson has allready been made to help defend the South from military agression from the increasingly hostile North. And If this escalates into an all out ground war Americans will fight to the death to help defend Asia's most successful democracy.
    Well said..



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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I think the US should make a move to have China removed as a permanent member if they don't clamp down on Kim Jong ILL.
    The US, or even the UN does not have the legal power to do so
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The US, or even the UN does not have the legal power to do so
    Says who?..............
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Says who?..............
    Says the UN
    the Big five powers all have veto power over any significant UN issue. Removing a permanent member of the security council is a significant issue
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