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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by Animus View Post
    Has anyone told you lately that you are a special waste of space? Goochie, goochie

    When I read threads/comments like these, I start to understand the position of the Al-Qaeda.

    Please tell me our nation really is not full of ignorant, self interested, gluts. Please learn a little about foreign policy and international relations before you make a fool of yourself.

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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Last time, it was the Chinese who attacked us as we approached their border, not the Russians. The Koreans were a buffer for both sides, and that buffer balance was upset by the DPRK when they attacked South Korea. Todays scenario is completely different. China will not, for at least a decade, confront the U.S. openly, because then we don't owe them any money, and we get a chance to destroy their factories, and kill their people. It is against their interests to support the DPRK militarily.
    hmmm intresting good points.
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why, yes, in this very thread, as a matter of fact.
    Just remember there are a lot more that feel the same but aren't saying anything.

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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm fixin' to be 42. And you are?
    42 chronologically that is.

    I'm still young enough to be redeployed to load munitions on aircraft if we end up in three wars. We'll be spread pretty thin.

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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    yes I do

    It deals generally with the ownership of private property. Communism tends to be against it, while Facism tends to rather protect it.

    China has gone from being a country with almost no private ownership of property to a huge amount of private property, the number of billionaries, millionaries and overall wealth of many Chinese is growing at a fast rate. The number of privately owned homes has increased dramatically, along with privately owned business small and large. It still is a dictatorship of course and one that bends both the private sector and still considerable public sector to do the states wish`s


    It truely resembles the system of Chile under Pinochet then any communist country
    Your wasting your time LT. You're so far above him intellectually he probably can't understand a word you say.

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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    42 chronologically that is.

    I'm still young enough to be redeployed to load munitions on aircraft if we end up in three wars. We'll be spread pretty thin.
    And, I'm just a teeanager?

    What? We're supposed to feel sorry for you, because you got some POG MOS in the what? Navy? Air Force? I doubt you'll see much trigger time, so don't sweat it, kid.
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    I would't be so sure, SK's president is calling for a "enormous retaliation" now:

    After North Korean strike, South Korean leader threatens 'retaliation'

    After North Korean strike, South Korean leader threatens 'retaliation' - CNN.com

    Even the strongest political leaders have a point where they can't be seen as constantly taking it on the chin and their patience has been tried too far.
    Leaders talk and very rarely follow through. In a situation like this where the potential damage is much greater it is even more the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If you were China, right now, you would be sticking with your Communist brothers. What's China going to do? Abandon NorKo and allow them to be overwhlemed by the Democratic South Korea?

    Some folks need a serious history lesson, prior to posting on this issue.
    China was never and has never been committed to that notion of communist solidarity. Even the alliance with Stalin was difficult to get done and had our troops not parked ourselves right on the Yalu River and officials had not been jabbering about going to China next the Chinese probably would not have intervened directly.

    Today? The state of things has changed. China and the U.S. have far more reason to get along than to get in a fight, North Korea is now even more of a liability, and in the long run South Korea will leave our orbit and enter China's. That does not mean China has no interest at the moment in keeping North Korea around, but if they start making a scene you are more likely to see Chinese tanks rolling into Pyongyang to stop the North rather than assist them.
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I seem to remember a certain U.S. general saying the exact same thing back in 1950.
    That doesn't mean we're wrong this time. Back then, we were in a Cold War, of Capitalism vs. Communism. Now, China has combined a free market with communist regulations, and if it attacks the largest free market in the world, its free market is giong to collapse. Remember, the United States represents the demand for their country's goods, and they lose that if we got to war.
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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    That's the downside to all out war. However I'm thinking there may be a contingency plan in place that could hit NK so hard and so fast and so devistatingly it may preclude that with some luck. But Seoul is so close to the DMZ it would be hard to pull off. It would have to be a surprise attack of massive force. Stealth bombers would be the way to go. Not sure if we would bring them in theater though, and I know SK doesn't have any of their own.
    Problem is, no matter how fast, the North Koreans would get at least one NUKE off. Where, is anyones guess? I see troops on the ground to pull something that quick and devastating off. All combined forces aworking as one, and it would require a good amount of NATO, if not UN (Smirk) support. Problem is that to drum up that support, NK will have time. Time to prepare. That said, I don't see how, without China's help, North Korea suvives a modern invasion. Yes, they do damage (A lesson for ever allowing Iran to get NUKES), but NK would cease to exist. The damage they inflict on some unsuspecting nation, Japan perhaps, is weighed against the effort to remove the regime, and replace it. Is it worth it? There are a great many people with more information than I that are debating that very subject right now.

    Obama, on the other hand, is thnking politically. Politcs will direct his decision, and if it turns out in his mind that politically, it's best to play hardball with more sanctions, then that is what it will be. All the while, making it even more difficult for the next President to resolve.


    My guess is that the Norht Korean army would provide stiff resistance at first, but then buckle as their lines of communication get cut. Just like what happened in Iraq.



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    Re: North Korea reportedly fires at South

    Anyone beside myself think that maybe the ole man has died and the son has take over?
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