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    KABUL, Afghanistan — For months, the secret talks unfolding between Taliban and Afghan leaders to end the war appeared to be showing promise, if only because of the repeated appearance of a certain insurgent leader at one end of the table: Mullah Akhtar Muhammad Mansour, one of the most senior commanders in the Taliban movement.
    But now, it turns out, Mr. Mansour was apparently not Mr. Mansour at all. In an episode that could have been lifted from a spy novel, United States and Afghan officials now say the Afghan man was an impostor, and high-level discussions conducted with the assistance of NATO appear to have achieved little.


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    Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    KABUL, Afghanistan — For months, the secret talks unfolding between Taliban and Afghan leaders to end the war appeared to be showing promise, if only because of the appearance of a certain insurgent leader at one end of the table: Mullah Akhtar Muhammad Mansour...

    But now, it turns out, Mr. Mansour was apparently not Mr. Mansour at all...the Afghan man was an impostor, and high-level discussions conducted with the assistance of NATO appear to have achieved little.

    “And we gave him a lot of money.”

    American officials say they were skeptical from the start about the identity of the man...

    The Western diplomat said the Afghan man was initially given a sizable sum of money to take part in the talks — and to help persuade him to return.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/23/wo...abul.html?_r=1
    Egg on face.

    Now that we know there are no negotiations, how about a gloves-off assault on the terroristas instead of the hand-cuffed approach we've been using since Obi's been in office?

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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    wait... someone we're at war with... lied to us?

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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    And he would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids.

    btw... hand cuffed approach? You've been using assault for awhile and it hasn't worked and might I remind you my partisan friend that Obama sent almost 20, 000 extra troops there, is that hand cuffed?

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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Now that we know there are no negotiations, how about a gloves-off assault on the terroristas instead of the hand-cuffed approach we've been using since Obi's been in office?
    Really? What kind of approach do you recommend? You seem to know more than the military so far.

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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    And he would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids.

    btw... hand cuffed approach? You've been using assault for awhile and it hasn't worked and might I remind you my partisan friend that Obama sent almost 20, 000 extra troops there, is that hand cuffed?
    Obama has escalated his little war in Afghanistan twice, viz., March 2009 and December 2009. Collectively he increased American troop strength by 50,000. This proves Obama has not hand cuffed American troops. Instead, it is conclusive evidence that President Obama is a callow fool. Emphasis on callow as in inexperienced and incompetent. Mein Gott.

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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    And he would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids.

    btw... hand cuffed approach? You've been using assault for awhile and it hasn't worked and might I remind you my partisan friend that Obama sent almost 20, 000 extra troops there, is that hand cuffed?
    Sending troops and letting the fight are two different things.

    You obviously missed the Rolling Stone piece.


    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/119236

    But however strategic they may be, McChrystal's new marching orders have caused an intense backlash among his own troops. Being told to hold their fire, soldiers complain, puts them in greater danger. "Bottom line?" says a former Special Forces operator who has spent years in Iraq and Afghanistan. "I would love to kick McChrystal in the nuts. His rules of engagement put soldiers' lives in even greater danger. Every real soldier will tell you the same thing."

    One soldier shows me the list of new regulations the platoon was given. "Patrol only in areas that you are reasonably certain that you will not have to defend yourselves with lethal force," the laminated card reads. For a soldier who has traveled halfway around the world to fight, that's like telling a cop he should only patrol in areas where he knows he won't have to make arrests. "Does that make any ****ing sense?" asks Pfc. Jared Pautsch. "

    During the question-and-answer period, the frustration boils over. The soldiers complain about not being allowed to use lethal force, about watching insurgents they detain be freed for lack of evidence.


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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Really? What kind of approach do you recommend? You seem to know more than the military so far.
    The common sense type that most liberals wouldn't understand. But first off, enaging the enemy on sight instead of holding fight until fired on.

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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Egg on face.

    Now that we know there are no negotiations, how about a gloves-off assault on the terroristas instead of the hand-cuffed approach we've been using since Obi's been in office?
    We could severely punish those who're thought to've aided an abetted the our enemies, destroying their irrigation systems and other infrastructure. We could carpet bomb cities and bulldoze homes. Why not? It worked very well for the USSR when they went at Afghanistan that way.

    FTR, I am not sure that our rules of engagement etc have changed that much as a result of Obama's presidency. Perhaps I am wrong.
    I may be wrong.

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