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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Sure we and the UN are trying to help them establish a government of and by the people.
    So we are trying to do more than just kill some people.

    Since we intend for the Afghanis to support this government we are trying to establish, how should we treat the people whose support we are trying to get?

    Also have you found any articles that show the rules of engagement have been tightened on Obama's watch at Obama's direction? Or are you willing to drop that point?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Judging by the time stamps on the articles it appears that under Obama's watch the rules of engagement have become more relaxed and allowing for more opportunities to fire.
    Do you have anything that shows teh rules of engagement have been tightened on Obama's watch at Obama's direction? That would do more to support your point
    They became more relaxed after Petreaus was installed in Afghanistan; before that they were restrictive. McChrystal started there less than 6-months after Obama took office, and they tried implementing COIN, something Biden was hot to trot about; that should have ben warning enough, for Biden is notorious for being wrong.

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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    So we are trying to do more than just kill some people.

    Since we intend for the Afghanis to support this government we are trying to establish, how should we treat the people whose support we are trying to get?

    Also have you found any articles that show the rules of engagement have been tightened on Obama's watch at Obama's direction? Or are you willing to drop that point?
    I posted that Petreaus has changed the rules of engament; in the end it is The Commander in Chief's call. See post above about COIN. Or go read The Rolling Stone piece on McChrystal.

    War isn't a game of neuro surgery. It's messy, especially when the enemy uses human shields. So, some civilians will get killed... and the sooner they learn aiding the idiots will cause more problems, longer term problems, the better for them. If they have a hard time learning, well, they'll have to learn the hard way. If it annoys them... tough darts. We have some scum to eradicate, and we should do it aggressively.

    The 1:09 mark is relevant, for had we taken it to the bastards 25-years ago, we might just be spared a lot of grief; of course, the peaceniks would have cried, and cried and cried, as they always do. We left them largely alone, for fear of not offending them, and they multiplied like rats.

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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I posted that Petreaus has changed the rules of engament; in the end it is The Commander in Chief's call. See post above about COIN. Or go read The Rolling Stone piece on McChrystal.

    War isn't a game of neuro surgery. It's messy, especially when the enemy uses human shields. So, some civilians will get killed... and the sooner they learn aiding the idiots will cause more problems, longer term problems, the better for them. If they have a hard time learning, well, they'll have to learn the hard way. If it annoys them... tough darts. We have some scum to eradicate, and we should do it aggressively.
    I am telling you that this method was tried by the USSR. You're welcome to think it'll be different this time.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    what an embarrassment, this crew in the white house is wholly woebegone

    there is so much about this war, OBAMA'S WAR, that just isn't RIGHT

    1. the enemy we seek, al qaeda, aren't even in afghanistan, they're almost all instead in pakistan

    2. no less than BOB WOODWARD reported that obama's heart just isn't in this war, he's committed us over there purely for politics

    3. woodward also tells us our security heads don't believe the strategy they're following is ultimately winnable

    4. so obama wages what the new york times calls his secret war in pakistan, killing terrorists and collaterals with drones

    5. which pisses off our pakistani "partners," who close khyber and get our gas trucks torched

    6. our #1 collaborator in OBAMA'S WAR, karzai, is corrupt AND a kook

    7. the general made it mcchrystal clear why he skeedaddled, we all know why dennis blair followed, then jim jones---ROLLING STONE told us

    8. billions in us aid has been flown outta kabul, heading for safer havens

    9. richard holbrooke says it's time to include IRAN at the table, maybe ahmedinejad can help

    10. the pullout, exit, drawdown, timeline, transition, incoherently impromptu, but conditions based, of course---this week bonehead biden tells us the DROP DEAD DATE is suddenly 2014

    11. american casualties have increased threefold since the poser's presided

    12. obnoxious obama has opened himself up to an anti war primary challenge from the left, and he'd be the last to know

    pathetic

    STILL not embarrassed

    what'll it take?

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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Really? What kind of approach do you recommend? You seem to know more than the military so far.
    More tallies in body bags would be a good approach.

    Take the number of tallies we've killed, to date and triple it by July.

    That'll make them sing a different tune.

    yeah, I know, "they're not afraid to die, la, la, la, la-la". Well, if you kill off all the dudes that aren't afraid to die; what are you left with?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    More tallies in body bags would be a good approach.

    Take the number of tallies we've killed, to date and triple it by July.

    That'll make them sing a different tune.

    yeah, I know, "they're not afraid to die, la, la, la, la-la". Well, if you kill off all the dudes that aren't afraid to die; what are you left with?
    Should we be more vicious than the Soviets were?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    More tallies in body bags would be a good approach.

    Take the number of tallies we've killed, to date and triple it by July.

    That'll make them sing a different tune.

    yeah, I know, "they're not afraid to die, la, la, la, la-la". Well, if you kill off all the dudes that aren't afraid to die; what are you left with?
    I don't think anyone's argument against this is "they don't care," but rather "you're going to murder thousands of innocent people."

    You're the military guy, so you tell me:
    How do you identify a hostile? Shoot anyone who is armed? How do you reconcile that with belief in the 2nd amendment? After all, doesn't everyone have the right to defend themselves and their homes?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Should we be more vicious than the Soviets were?
    Yes, we should. However, we shouldn't annihilate total villages, as the Soviets did. This would be counter productive, obviously.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I don't think anyone's argument against this is "they don't care," but rather "you're going to murder thousands of innocent people."

    You're the military guy, so you tell me:
    How do you identify a hostile? Shoot anyone who is armed? How do you reconcile that with belief in the 2nd amendment? After all, doesn't everyone have the right to defend themselves and their homes?
    Eventually, the common folks will stop giving sanctuary to the tallies. When they figure out that the reason that they getting lit up, is because tallies are holeing up in their village, they won't let the tallies come around.

    You know, common sense stuff.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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