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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Duty View Post
    The common sense type that most liberals wouldn't understand. But first off, enaging the enemy on sight instead of holding fight until fired on.
    If the enemy is mixed in with the civilians how do you tell which person to fire at unless they fire first?
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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Duty View Post
    The common sense type that most liberals wouldn't understand. But first off, enaging the enemy on sight instead of holding fight until fired on.
    Not that the military realises now that conventional victory is not even conceptually feasible... but whatever man. I'm sure common sense in a war overridden by liberals would totally work. (in your head)

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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    We could severely punish those who're thought to've aided an abetted the our enemies, destroying their irrigation systems and other infrastructure. We could carpet bomb cities and bulldoze homes. Why not? It worked very well for the USSR when they went at Afghanistan that way.

    FTR, I am not sure that our rules of engagement etc have changed that much as a result of Obama's presidency. Perhaps I am wrong.
    Dogs and cats.

    They tried to take over a country, and with our aid they were stopped.

    This is different. We're on a hunt for rats and want the people to have their own society free of the vermin, and the only way to get the job done is to kill them, demoralize them and keep unrelenting heat on them; if civilian lives are lost... sorry. They will have to learn, you let the vermin stay amongst you and you may die. You assist us and fewer will.

    Otherwise, let's just turn over the place to the pond scum, return in a few years and start from zero.

    As for rules of engagement, they tried COIN, which was... an effort to try not to piss of the locals. Didn't work.

    Petraeus Urged to Change Rules of Engagement for U.S. Troops in Afghanistan
    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...n/#ixzz168i8Ag
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...s-afghanistan/

    A month and a half later:

    Afghanistan war: Will the new Petraeus rules of engagement make troops safer?
    General David Petraeus has issued new rules of engagement for the war in Afghanistan. The rules appear to relax restrictions on the use of deadly force, but it's unclear how much meaningful change will happen on the ground.
    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-...e-troops-safer

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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    Is the world simpler in 2d?

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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    This is different. We're on a hunt for rats, and the only way to get the job done is to kill them, demoralize them ans keep unrelenting heat on them; if civilian lives are lost... sorry. They will have to learn, you let the vermin stay amongst you and you may die. You assist us and fewer will.
    How dare those Pakistani's not accept our military control of their country with open arms. I'm sure if the US had insurgents based here we would allow the Pakistan army to setup in our states and kill our citizens without issue.
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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    They tried to take over a country, and with our aid they were stopped.

    This is different. We're on a hunt for rats and want the people to have their own society free of the vermin, and the only way to get the job done is to kill them, demoralize them and keep unrelenting heat on them;
    We're just trying to kill some people and then our job will be done? We are not trying to establish a government that's different from the power structure that was there before we went in?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    If the enemy is mixed in with the civilians how do you tell which person to fire at unless they fire first?
    There will be cases of this. It is unavoidable. But there are times when we knew damn well who the SMFER was and had to hold fire because at the time they were in the town square. They could walk the market, sip coffee and smoke their pipes and there wasn't a damn thing we could do about it. Then the next day dropping mortars down tubes or directing sniper fire. You cannot fight a war with political correctness. If you commit the troops then let us fight to win.
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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    As for rules of engagement, they tried COIN, which was... an effort to try not to piss of the locals. Didn't work.

    Petraeus Urged to Change Rules of Engagement for U.S. Troops in Afghanistan
    Read more: Petraeus Urged to Change Rules of Engagement for U.S. Troops in Afghanistan - FoxNews.com
    Petraeus Urged to Change Rules of Engagement for U.S. Troops in Afghanistan - FoxNews.com

    A month and a half later:

    Afghanistan war: Will the new Petraeus rules of engagement make troops safer?
    General David Petraeus has issued new rules of engagement for the war in Afghanistan. The rules appear to relax restrictions on the use of deadly force, but it's unclear how much meaningful change will happen on the ground.
    Afghanistan war: Will the new Petraeus rules of engagement make troops safer? - CSMonitor.com
    Judging by the time stamps on the articles it appears that under Obama's watch the rules of engagement have become more relaxed and allowing for more opportunities to fire.
    Do you have anything that shows teh rules of engagement have been tightened on Obama's watch at Obama's direction? That would do more to support your point
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Not that the military realises now that conventional victory is not even conceptually feasible... but whatever man. I'm sure common sense in a war overridden by liberals would totally work. (in your head)
    I am not your "man".

    And this post reeks of stupidity on so many levels I dont know where to start, so I won't.

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    Re: Taliban Leader in Secret Talks Was an Impostor

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    We're just trying to kill some people and then our job will be done? We are not trying to establish a government that's different from the power structure that was there before we went in?
    Sure we and the UN are trying to help them establish a government of and by the people. The Commi's were trying to install their totalitarian utopia.

    Here is the interesting dichotomy; Libs always tell us we shouldn't be spreading our values about the world. God's values; freedom/liberty. We did exactly that after assisting the Afghan's oust the Commi's. We left them alone, and look what happened.

    Wouldn't it have been better to have us and the UN go in an help the establish a government?

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