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    Re: Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid

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    Ah, but Medicare isn't doing something about it.
    They are doing a pretty good job considering that they don’t cherry pick; Medicare beneficiaries need, more health care services than those who are privately insured, and they still have an administrative of 2 percent of expenditures, compared with approximately 11 percent of spending by private plans under Medicare Advantage.


    It is demanding that someone else do something about it.
    Whoo is?

    I'm talking about personal responsibility and personal actions, not some demanding that some nameless, faceless pencil pusher in DC send checks to meaningless names on a list. Go out and actually help real people.

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    Re: Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid

    Bredesen criticizes Obama's health care plan | Nashville City Paper

    Phil Bredesen is taking the lead among the nation’s governors in warning Congress against forcing states to pay a significant chunk of the cost of health care reform.

    Bredesen, co-chair for health care policy for the National Governor’s Association, is objecting to a provision in House and Senate bills to expand Medicaid to cover anyone with incomes less than 133 percent of the poverty level, or $29,327 for a family of four.

    Since states pay roughly one third of Medicaid, the provision could add billions of dollars in costs to state governments. Bredesen calls it “the mother of all unfunded mandates,” and he’s been making his case to reporters for weeks now at every opportunity.

    “We can’t print money,” he says. “We can’t borrow money. A lot of staffers in Congress really don’t understand this idea of a balanced budget.”

    The governor, a former HMO executive, says he favors universal health care, but not if that means added expense to Tennessee’s state government, which already is saddled with a $1 billion annual revenue loss because of the economic meltdown.

    “This couldn't come at a worse time for the states,” he says.

    The federal government would pick up the new Medicaid costs for two years under bills before Congress. But after that, states would have to pay some of the cost of newly eligible Medicaid recipients.
    The Daily News Blog » More from Bredesen on Health Care

    It’s easy to forget Tennessee Gov. Phil Bredesen is a Democrat and last year was on the Obama administration’s short list for the job of Health and Human Services Secretary when the governor writes in a new book that 2010’s health care reform was “a stunning disappointment.”

    He’s not saying he thinks reform doesn’t go far enough, a view held by some liberals and progressives who would like to expand the social safety net even beyond what the bill passed by Congress does.

    Bredesen thinks it was a flat-out misguided bill, flawed from the get-go.

    “The problem isn’t that we expanded coverage,” Bredesen writes in his new book “Fresh Medicine,” referring to the millions of uninsured and under-insured people who can now either buy insurance with the help of federal vouchers and the creation of state health exchanges.

    “The problem was expanding coverage is about all we did.”

    “Government loves complexity, rules and red tape, but we may have outdone ourselves this time,” Bredesen writes. “Reform offered a chance to clean up the baroque system we have created over the years, reduce bureaucracy, lower administrative cost and give clarity and focus to a major part of where we spend our taxpayers’ money.

    “Instead, we created more complexity, more regulations and the need for more bureaucracy.”

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    Re: Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Eighty million uninsured and counting would take a bit more than ringing a bell outside a Wal-Mart. Do you have anything to add to the thread other than snark?
    So you wouldn't be willing to give to the sick?
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    Re: Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid

    Ending Medicaid? Good but its all talk, get back to me when someone has the balls to actually do it.
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    Re: Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Ending Medicaid? Good but its all talk, get back to me when someone has the balls to actually do it.
    Hah, really.

    why is it so ridiculous and offensive to many for anyone to suggest that individuals should actually be the ones to care for theirselves?
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    Re: Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Hah, really.

    why is it so ridiculous and offensive to many for anyone to suggest that individuals should actually be the ones to care for theirselves?

    Sick people caring for themeselves

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    Re: Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Sick people caring for themeselves
    Healthy people who might get sick, you mean.
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    Re: Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Hah, really.

    why is it so ridiculous and offensive to many for anyone to suggest that individuals should actually be the ones to care for theirselves?
    Why is it so ridiculous and offensive to many for anyone to suggest that people don't deserve to go bankrupt or die simply for being too poor to afford care?
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    Re: Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why is it so ridiculous and offensive to many for anyone to suggest that people don't deserve to go bankrupt or die simply for being too poor to afford care?
    I have no problem with the government helping people who genuinely need it - but medicaid is like a government-backed insurance. It's not just assistance only for those who are ailing in their time of most need.

    If states can't afford the high cost then they can't afford the high cost. What do you want them to do instead?
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    Re: Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I have no problem with the government helping people who genuinely need it - but medicaid is like a government-backed insurance. It's not just assistance only for those who are ailing in their time of most need.

    If states can't afford the high cost then they can't afford the high cost. What do you want them to do instead?

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