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    Re: Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Actually, if you look beyond the surface, I was making a commentary about the responsibility that we as citizens of the United States and children of God have to support our neighbors. It wasn't snarky. The government has no authority to redistribute funds. The only spending authorities it has are to day to day operations of the government, army, navy, arts and science, and courts.

    Now, if you choose to relinquish your duties to your neighbors in favor of a government beuracracy, I liked to see the look on your neighbors face when you tell them they have to stand in three different lines in spererate parts of the city to get one visit to the doctor approved...just like our vets do...because you don't want to face the responsibility.
    A pretty good stretch, calling “do the good thing and start up a charity and get funding for these people”
    “making a commentary about the responsibility that we as citizens of the United States and children of God have to support our neighbors”. Whatever.

    I’ll just address one of you straw men, the one about the vets having to go to different parts of the city to see a Doc. seeing as that is what I have. The only time I have had to do that (make multiple stops) was when I had to see a specialist (rotator cuff). As an aside, if you’re a Vet you might go here and check in, while you’re their check out the link on VA healthcare.

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    Re: Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    I was discussing healthcare on another thread and another poster suggested that healthcare would be better served if left to the states. This article kinda knocks the wind out of that sail in my opinion. What should we do with the poor/ unemployed when they can no longer pull themselves up by the ole bootstraps and stumble into an hospital emergency room?


    <Elected and appointed officials in nearly a half-dozen states, including Washington, Texas and South Carolina, have publicly thrown out the idea. Wyoming and Nevada this year produced detailed studies of what would happen should they withdraw from the program. Wyoming found that Medicaid accounts for 63% of the state's nursing-home revenue. >

    <However, many elderly people rely on Medicaid to pay for long-term care at nursing homes, and that makes pulling out a "deal killer," Mr. Porter said. No good alternative currently exists to cover such nursing-home costs. >

    Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid - WSJ.com
    What I see happening in the future:

    Government-funding practices and hospitals.
    The government covers all costs - pays all paychecks.

    Everyone else who can afford to cover their own healthcare does so according to their own wants.
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    Re: Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    A pretty good stretch, calling “do the good thing and start up a charity and get funding for these people”
    “making a commentary about the responsibility that we as citizens of the United States and children of God have to support our neighbors”. Whatever.

    I’ll just address one of you straw men, the one about the vets having to go to different parts of the city to see a Doc. seeing as that is what I have. The only time I have had to do that (make multiple stops) was when I had to see a specialist (rotator cuff). As an aside, if you’re a Vet you might go here and check in, while you’re their check out the link on VA healthcare.

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    Actually, the Vet I'm referring to is my neighbor. He lives in Fort Worth, but has to drive to Dallas to get benefits. They moved an office for renevation so he has to go to one address to get checked in, then go back to the doctors office to be seen, then go back to the first office to get his check for driving over the Dallas. He's been doing this for 2 years trying to get his knee and back surgery completed...service related injury. Its sad to watch.

    But, back on topic: The statement and the explination are not a stretch. Your post is indicitave of the apathy that plagues this country. Everyone says something oughta be, but no one ever does anything about it. If you want people that have a need for insurance and can't afford it to have insurance you have two options: buy it for them, either through a charity or on your own or start a charity and fund.
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    Re: Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid

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    Your post is indicitave of the apathy that plagues this country.
    Apathy!! Care to show me where is have shown “apathy” towards healthcare in any of my post at DP?

    Everyone says something oughta be, but no one ever does anything about it.

    I did something about it and I provided a link in the previous post showing you. Remember the Vets link, where I suggested any Vet. on DP that didn’t have healthcare to go to the VA.gov and see if they are qualified under the new(at that time) priority group 8?


    If you want people that have a need for insurance and can't afford it to have insurance you have two options: buy it for them, either through a charity or on your own or start a charity and fund.
    Another straw man falling down on your head. I am a proponent of Medicare for all that want it. If anyone wants insurance and can afford it that’s on them.
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    Re: Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Do you have anything that says otherwise other than a slew of old links?
    well, there's your own op

    LOL!

    Some policy experts say the most feasible scenario would be withdrawing from Medicaid in 2014 when the new health-care law overhaul is set to add 16 million Americans to the program's ranks.
    Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid - WSJ.com

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    Re: Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid

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    Go back prof and read your original post, pay attention to the last part of your post;which was the part that I was responding to. Read it real slow so it sinks in and then post a response. If you don’t I will understand.
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    Re: Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid

    What is all the hubbub did know one read the story.

    The idea of abandoning Medicaid as a solution is so extreme that even proponents don't expect any state will follow through, but officials are floating the discussions because dire budgetary pressures have forced them to at least look at even the most drastic options.
    The States that are broke are controlled by idiot Liberals and coward Conservatives,

    California is committing suicide and has just elected one of the biggest fools ever in political history. And the foolish voters are going to be paying almost $6 a gal. for gas by the end of 2011, and the price of all goods and service are going up considerably, and if you live a State run by Liberals and coward Conservatives who won't stand up to their foolishness you too will get higher prices for everything and when all the Obama taxes connected with the PHONY Obama kill granny plan hit maybe some of you will wake up and help to get rid of the worthless fool.

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    Re: Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Apathy!! Care to show me where is have shown “apathy” towards healthcare in any of my post at DP?




    I did something about it and I provided a link in the previous post showing you. Remember the Vets link, where I suggested any Vet. on DP that didn’t have healthcare to go to the VA.gov and see if they are qualified under the new(at that time) priority group 8?




    Another straw man falling down on your head. I am a proponent of Medicare for all that want it. If anyone wants insurance and can afford it that’s on them.
    Ah, but Medicare isn't doing something about it. It is demanding that someone else do something about it. I'm talking about personal responsibility and personal actions, not some demanding that some nameless, faceless pencil pusher in DC send checks to meaningless names on a list. Go out and actually help real people.
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    Re: Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    pay attention to the last part of your post;which was the part that I was responding to.
    you don't know what you're talking about

    bredesen does

    so do ritter, christine gregoire, bill richardson, brian schweitzer...

    why, it's common knowledge

    you can't dump 16 million miserable americans suddenly into medicaid, already the ghetto of health care, with no federal funding

    no unforeseen consequences, here, at least not for those who follow the news

    sorry

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    Re: Some States Weigh Unthinkable Option: Ending Medicaid

    QUOTE The Prof
    you can't dump 16 million miserable americans suddenly into medicaid, already the ghetto of health care, with no federal funding
    From the OP.

    (Some states, in particular those led by Republicans, are calculating whether they'd be better off giving up the federal funding and replacing Medicaid with a narrower program of their own.)
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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