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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    American Indians gained land through conquest. White Europeans played that game far better.
    Had the Indian tribes not been warring with each other they might have organized themselves into a stronger force, invented wheels and ships, and conquered the Europeans instead..

    But, alas, it was not to be.

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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And which countries were those?
    What are you serious? The ancestors of African Americans were from various countries before they were enslaved. The ancestors of Native Americans owned the entirety of the United States before it was stolen from them. Any other questions?

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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    Conquest isn't a game, it's a war crime.

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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    What are you serious? The ancestors of African Americans were from various countries before they were enslaved. The ancestors of Native Americans owned the entirety of the United States before it was stolen from them. Any other questions?
    You said "Yeah, except maybe their own countries when they were wrongfully taken from them, and had them taken from them, respectively".

    Okay, now please name the countries.

    If you can't then you are only responding with your feelings, not facts.

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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Conquest isn't a game, it's a war crime.
    Actually war is generally how countries are conquered, and war itself is not a crime if certain criteria are met.

    If you look at a map of Europe from 100 years ago you'll probably see quite a few changes in the borders These were largely the result of war.

    With the one possible exception of the county that dares not be named, these border changes are generally accepted as a result of a truce..

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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    What are you serious? The ancestors of African Americans were from various countries before they were enslaved. The ancestors of Native Americans owned the entirety of the United States before it was stolen from them. Any other questions?
    who captured all those africans and sold them into slavery? a few white guys with muskets? LOL



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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Conquest isn't a game, it's a war crime.
    That's another really idiotic claim. its naive silly and ignorant of history. And the point is, the Indians are no different than the europeans other than the europeans were militarily far superior.

    its like the Boers vs the Zulus. Shaka was a power hungry conquistador. He displaced one quarter of the sub-saharan native AFrican population in the early to mid 1800s. HOwever, his people came into conflict with the Boers. They were better armed and better supplied militarily. to say it was wrong for the Boers to displace the zulus (and later with British help really ring their bells at ROurke's Drift and other battles several decades later) is idiotic. both groups expanded by conquest



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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    who captured all those africans and sold them into slavery? a few white guys with muskets? LOL
    and then they forced all those free Blacks in America to buy them all as slaves. Right.
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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    This is stupid. How long before we let the bast be the past. How many hundreds of years will America foolishly vomit money at minority groups for the sins of a few individuals? Not all white people owned slaves. Not all Indian tribes were screwed (Manhattan was purchased from Indians, not stolen). No one should receive anything because their ancestors suffered. Should numerous European nations give me money because my ancestors suffered over there and came to America? Should I receive something because of my Native American heritage? All this does is further the entitlement mindset and creates more racial tension in our country.
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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I really don't care what kind of position it is. Nor do I care how the legal system operates. It is what it is and I make no apologies for it not will I try to justify it. Do with it what you will.
    I'll write your position off as entirely irrational.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    What are you serious? The ancestors of African Americans were from various countries before they were enslaved. The ancestors of Native Americans owned the entirety of the United States before it was stolen from them. Any other questions?
    And the entire world originally belonged to people from Mesopotamia, so I guess every other country just stole land from them, right?
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