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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Great opening to foster reasoned debate. I bet you are a real hoot in person.
    thanks for exposing the hypocrisy so vividly. if one side views the posts of the other to be a "joke", that is fine ... at least until the table is turned

    for the record, i cannot recall seeing anything posted by you which would be properly classified "reasoned debate". partisan, unfounded garbage, yes. reasoned debate ... still waiting on that. and you probably would not enjoy my company in person as i do not suffer fools gladly
    We should do what we can to help the NA tribes that are mired in abject poverty through development, and schools to help them succeed in this country. Money handouts is NOT the answer. Teach a man to fish.
    it is clear you haven't an iota of understanding about this topic. it is not about handouts. it IS about paying back what was taken. many billions. and this huge amount represents only what was not addressed because of the statute of limitations. imagine how much was actually stolen from the Indians
    Yeah, tell that to someone who doesn't know the deal pal...."Pigford v. Glickman: 86,000 claims from 39,697 total farmers?"

    Zombie Pigford v. Glickman: 86,000 claims from 39,697 total farmers?


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    you clearly don't know the deal
    you want us to believe that any party to a suit is limited to a single claim
    come back when you actually have a point to argue
    your lame ass, unfounded, fact deprived assertions are getting old
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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    thanks for exposing the hypocrisy so vividly. if one side views the posts of the other to be a "joke", that is fine ... at least until the table is turned

    for the record, i cannot recall seeing anything posted by you which would be properly classified "reasoned debate". partisan, unfounded garbage, yes. reasoned debate ... still waiting on that. and you probably would not enjoy my company in person as i do not suffer fools gladly
    I see, so now I am a "fool" because I don't agree with your nanny state outlooks...nice.

    it is clear you haven't an iota of understanding about this topic. it is not about handouts. it IS about paying back what was taken.
    Yes, in a James Cone kind of way eh? how sad.

    many billions. and this huge amount represents only what was not addressed because of the statute of limitations. imagine how much was actually stolen from the Indians
    Are you NA? or AA? or just self loathing, and born of white guilt?

    you clearly don't know the deal
    Such strong facts...let's have em....

    you want us to believe that any party to a suit is limited to a single claim
    come back when you actually have a point to argue
    your lame ass, unfounded, fact deprived assertions are getting old
    Yet you time after time come back for more, while not presenting one single fact yourself, yet you are strong with the name calling....What's that say about you?


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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

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    So when it suits you, the rule of law is thrown out because you think that a group of people were screwed by the forming of this country hundreds of years ago?
    You wanna tell everybody how the rule of law was violated here by Congress appropriating this money?
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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So when it suits you, the rule of law is thrown out because you think that a group of people were screwed by the forming of this country hundreds of years ago? And in your mind then how long should the descendants of these peoples be able to lay claim to their ancestors hardships? 3rd generation? 4th, 5th? How long do they get to whine, and cry about how hard they have it while living in a country where we make a rock quarry owner with too much stone, a millionaire for placing a stone in a box, and marketing it as adopting a pet rock? Really? How long do we as a nation allow this collective guilt of existence rule our actions and afford large settlements to groups of people that are suing in numbers 3 times that of documented black farmers at the time? Hell, I have a garden, and I am descended from Irish immigrants during the potato famine. Can I get a piece of this blatant money grab?

    What a joke.


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    lets put you in a similar situation....you win a lawsuit, whoever it was you sued and won a judgement against, plays games for years and years, you continually pursue your judgement in the legal system, and time and time again, the courts agree with you, and order payment, but again, the people/organization you sued and won a judgement against keep delaying and filing appeals, which they continually lose......one day, you die....is it the right now of the people you sued to claim that 'well, he is dead now, and his estate has no claim to the judgement, therefore, we will not pay it as his descendents were not part of the original lawsuit'?

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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    As awful as we treated the Blacks and Native Americans over the history of this country I think I can approve of this bill.
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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    As awful as we treated the Blacks and Native Americans over the history of this country I think I can approve of this bill.
    Blacks and indians are treatd better than they could ever expect in any other country.

    Indian casinos don't pay taxes. That adds up to billions of dollars, every year, that they get to put into their pockets.

    Where else, but this great nation could they do that?

    The bottom line, is that the government doesn't have this kind of money, just laying around.
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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Blacks and indians are treatd better than they could ever expect in any other country.
    Yeah, except maybe their own countries when they were wrongfully taken from them, and had them taken from them, respectively.

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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Yeah, except maybe their own countries when they were wrongfully taken from them, and had them taken from them, respectively.
    And which countries were those?

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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And which countries were those?
    American Indians gained land through conquest. White Europeans played that game far better.



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