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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    it's not reparations though.....Yeah, ok.


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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

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    They're worse than ever because white people don't like the fact that brown people have positions of power. Period. I'm sick of white people whining all the time. You are not worse off because of brown people. You're worse off because rich white people on Wall Street stole your retirmement and devalued your home with unethical investment tools, got a bailout from both parties, and gave themselves Billions in bonuses.

    They want you to be angry at brown people because it keeps the poor and middle class at war with themselves while they get richer and richer and richer off of their unscrupulous tactics.

    If working people of all races would stop being whiny little bitches about race and fighting with one another, maybe we could get back to an economy that values WORK instead of the ability to craft schemes that make them richer by shuffling **** around.

    You worry about this bill, but you don't worry about the fact that a "farmer" from Tennessee runs for office on "smaller government" but has collected $20 million in government farm subsidies over the past decade? Imagine how many others like him are making a killing off your tax dollars. But that doesn't bother us because their white? Is that the point?


    Only white farmers get subsidies?

    I'm sick of people, who want to lay on their ass, waiting for a check, because they think they've been oppressed in the freest country in the history of the world.
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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

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    Let me be blunt and direct about this. All of us probably had family who got screwed by the system somewhere down the line. I admit that. But what we did to the Native Americans is of such a magnitude and disgrace that I believe it trumps any complains you or I might have.

    Is that a legal principle you can build a case on? Nope. But it is how i feel about this. And the law be damned.
    Because, they're indians. Right? If these were white folks, crying about gett ass ****ed more than a century ago, you would say, "tuff ****".
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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And you're basing this on...?

    Unless you're arguing that the US's treatment of NA's was more brutal than any government's treatment of anyone else in history, this is an absolutely untenable position.



    Well, fortunately the legal system doesn't operate based on irrational emotion.
    I really don't care what kind of position it is. Nor do I care how the legal system operates. It is what it is and I make no apologies for it not will I try to justify it. Do with it what you will.
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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because, they're indians. Right? If these were white folks, crying about gett ass ****ed more than a century ago, you would say, "tuff ****".
    Perhaps they'll deduct whatever lives were lost at the Battle of the Little Big Horn. Almost half the cavalrymen were not Americans (Irish, German, Canadian, etc.) so there might be some reparations made for the descendants of these people too.

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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I really don't care what kind of position it is. Nor do I care how the legal system operates. It is what it is and I make no apologies for it not will I try to justify it. Do with it what you will.
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    That sort of attitude tends to lessen the spirit of the debate.

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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That sort of attitude tends to lessen the spirit of the debate.
    If that is how you see it - that is your right. How I see it is this: we screwed over these folks royally. Now the Senate jumps in to remedy the situation. A few would throw up the narrow legalistic argument of a statute of limitations. That sort of thing applies to litigation in the courts and not Congressional action. If that is all you got - I don't care about such trivial legalisms which don't even apply here.
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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If that is how you see it - that is your right. How I see it is this: we screwed over these folks royally. Now the Senate jumps in to remedy the situation. A few would throw up the narrow legalistic argument of a statute of limitations. That sort of thing applies to litigation in the courts and not Congressional action. If that is all you got - I don't care about such trivial legalisms which don't even apply here.

    So when it suits you, the rule of law is thrown out because you think that a group of people were screwed by the forming of this country hundreds of years ago? And in your mind then how long should the descendants of these peoples be able to lay claim to their ancestors hardships? 3rd generation? 4th, 5th? How long do they get to whine, and cry about how hard they have it while living in a country where we make a rock quarry owner with too much stone, a millionaire for placing a stone in a box, and marketing it as adopting a pet rock? Really? How long do we as a nation allow this collective guilt of existence rule our actions and afford large settlements to groups of people that are suing in numbers 3 times that of documented black farmers at the time? Hell, I have a garden, and I am descended from Irish immigrants during the potato famine. Can I get a piece of this blatant money grab?

    What a joke.


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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So when it suits you, the rule of law is thrown out because you think that a group of people were screwed by the forming of this country hundreds of years ago? And in your mind then how long should the descendants of these peoples be able to lay claim to their ancestors hardships? 3rd generation? 4th, 5th? How long do they get to whine, and cry about how hard they have it while living in a country where we make a rock quarry owner with too much stone, a millionaire for placing a stone in a box, and marketing it as adopting a pet rock? Really? How long do we as a nation allow this collective guilt of existence rule our actions and afford large settlements to groups of people that are suing in numbers 3 times that of documented black farmers at the time? Hell, I have a garden, and I am descended from Irish immigrants during the potato famine. Can I get a piece of this blatant money grab?

    What a joke.


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    the joke, and it's a poor one, is your post
    terming the appropriation of a court ordered settlement a 'money grab'
    the Native Indian claim took 12 trials to conclude ... over decades
    the black farmers were twice reamed; first when they were denied farm loans because of their color and again, in the processing of claims for that injustice. federal employees were responsible for withholding those federal loans, just as federal employees were responsible for mismanagement of the revenues due the Indians for extraction of minerals on their lands, and for selling Indian land to individuals
    the court found both parties were entitled to be made whole. justice was finally delivered, despite its being delayed
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    Re: Senate Approves $4.6 Billion for Claims by Black Farmers, American Indians

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the joke, and it's a poor one, is your post
    Great opening to foster reasoned debate. I bet you are a real hoot in person.


    terming the appropriation of a court ordered settlement a 'money grab'
    the Native Indian claim took 12 trials to conclude ... over decades
    We should do what we can to help the NA tribes that are mired in abject poverty through development, and schools to help them succeed in this country. Money handouts is NOT the answer. Teach a man to fish.

    the black farmers were twice reamed; first when they were denied farm loans because of their color and again, in the processing of claims for that injustice. federal employees were responsible for withholding those federal loans, just as federal employees were responsible for mismanagement of the revenues due the Indians for extraction of minerals on their lands, and for selling Indian land to individuals
    the court found both parties were entitled to be made whole. justice was finally delivered, despite its being delayed
    Yeah, tell that to someone who doesn't know the deal pal...."Pigford v. Glickman: 86,000 claims from 39,697 total farmers?"

    Zombie Pigford v. Glickman: 86,000 claims from 39,697 total farmers?


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