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Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

Boo Radley said:
Go back to the AMA denying people admission to medical school. There are more than effort candidates, but they have been held back by the AMA. The federal government, as noted above, will encourage more being admitted.
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Again this is not the problem. Obama not making a way for more doctors is. Obama has added to the problem with no solutions to fix it. Obama care will cause health care to be much worse than it is now. The huge doctor shortage caused by Obama will cause long lines and months of waiting periods
 
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ptif219 said:
Again this is not the problem. Obama not making a way for more doctors is. Obama has added to the problem with no solutions to fix it. Obama care will cause health care to be much worse than it is now. The huge doctor shortage caused by Obama will cause long lines and months of waiting periods
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He has encouraged more doctors, yes, he has. And the AMA also shows that much can be done without more doctors. You're not looking at everything. The problem is not worse. Not having access is worse than any shortage. We will adjust to the shortage.
 
Boo Radley said:
He has encouraged more doctors, yes, he has. And the AMA also shows that much can be done without more doctors. You're not looking at everything. The problem is not worse. Not having access is worse than any shortage. We will adjust to the shortage.
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Show how Obama plans to address the shortage
 
ptif219 said:
Show how Obama plans to address the shortage
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I did. I linked it above. He is encouraging more doctors by providing more money for them. Remember, he really didn't take over anything. There's a need, and the private secotr, the AMA will have to meet that need. He did what our government does, encouraged with incentives. You have read what I posted, right?
 
Boo Radley said:
You do recognize the words MAY and FEEL? And you know what they mean, right?
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There are doc's right now saying that they are ready to retire and just get out of business over this horrible now law, and Med students that are dropping out because of it also.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
There are doc's right now saying that they are ready to retire and just get out of business over this horrible now law, and Med students that are dropping out because of it also.

j-mac
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Prove that...
 
j-mac said:
There are doc's right now saying that they are ready to retire and just get out of business over this horrible now law, and Med students that are dropping out because of it also.

j-mac
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So? I can find one who is ready to be spanked by a Swedish nurse in leather and nine inch heels because of this. Would that mean anything?

Anyone who wants to find smething can. But it doesn't mean it is in significant enough numbers to matter.
 
Boo Radley said:
So? I can find one who is ready to be spanked by a Swedish nurse in leather and nine inch heels because of this. Would that mean anything?

Anyone who wants to find smething can. But it doesn't mean it is in significant enough numbers to matter.
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You don't think it is a problem in both quality, and quantity for long time doc's that have the experience to be saying that this law is basically forcing them out of business?


j-mac
 
from the chron:

Texas doctors are opting out of Medicare at alarming rates, frustrated by reimbursement cuts they say make participation in government-funded care of seniors unaffordable.

Two years after a survey found nearly half of Texas doctors weren't taking some new Medicare patients, new data shows 100 to 200 a year are now ending all involvement with the program. Before 2007, the number of doctors opting out averaged less than a handful a year.

“This new data shows the Medicare system is beginning to implode,” said Dr. Susan Bailey, president of the Texas Medical Association. “If Congress doesn't fix Medicare soon, there'll be more and more doctors dropping out and Congress' promise to provide medical care to seniors will be broken.”

More than 300 doctors have dropped the program in the last two years, including 50 in the first three months of 2010, according to data compiled by the Houston Chronicle. Texas Medical Association officials, who conducted the 2008 survey, said the numbers far exceeded their assumptions.
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from the times:

Many people, just as they become eligible for Medicare, discover that the insurance rug has been pulled out from under them. Some doctors — often internists but also gastroenterologists, gynecologists, psychiatrists and other specialists — are no longer accepting Medicare, either because they have opted out of the insurance system or they are not accepting new patients with Medicare coverage. The doctors’ reasons: reimbursement rates are too low and paperwork too much of a hassle.
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j-mac said:
You don't think it is a problem in both quality, and quantity for long time doc's that have the experience to be saying that this law is basically forcing them out of business?


j-mac
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I don't believe it is. And I've seen no evidence that anything of the kind is actually happpening.
 
ptif219 said:
It appears Obama is not willing to compromise. Yet he expects others to

Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts | Reuters

With time running out and high political and economic stakes, Obama is pushing Democratic leaders to determine if they can win an acceptable extension of the cuts, which he could sign into law.

Resurgent Republicans are demanding that all the tax cuts be renewed, including those for wealthier Americans -- individuals making more than $200,000 and families above$250,000.

Obama favors renewing the tax cuts only for those at or below those level, saying the nation cannot afford to renew them for wealthier Americans.
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I just have to wonder if he understands "elections have consequences?"
 
Dutch said:
I just have to wonder if he understands "elections have consequences?"
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Sure they do. I think everyone knows that. But so does extending the tax cuts. The consequence will be greater debt.
 
Boo Radley said:
Sure they do. I think everyone knows that. But so does extending the tax cuts. The consequence will be greater debt.
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I don't think that liberal exaggeration helps here Boo.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
I don't think that liberal exaggeration helps here Boo.

j-mac
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Where am I exaggerating?

A Republican plan to extend tax cuts for the rich would add more than $36 billion to the federal deficit next year -- and transfer the bulk of that cash into the pockets of the nation's millionaires, according to a congressional analysis released Wednesday.

GOP plan to extend tax cuts for rich adds $36 billion to deficit, panel finds


“Starve the Beast” Just Does Not Work | Cato @ Liberty
 
Boo Radley said:
Where am I exaggerating?

A Republican plan to extend tax cuts for the rich would add more than $36 billion to the federal deficit next year -- and transfer the bulk of that cash into the pockets of the nation's millionaires, according to a congressional analysis released Wednesday.

GOP plan to extend tax cuts for rich adds $36 billion to deficit, panel finds


“Starve the Beast” Just Does Not Work | Cato @ Liberty
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Well, leave it to the WaPo to spin the WH line for Obama. Listen, in these times tax hikes on anyone is not the way to go. Now if demo's would be reasonable and say agree to extending them for a couple years until the nation is on more solid footing, then maybe we could talk. But this thief in the WH is hammering everyone at every turn.....READ THEIR BILLS!


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Well, leave it to the WaPo to spin the WH line for Obama. Listen, in these times tax hikes on anyone is not the way to go. Now if demo's would be reasonable and say agree to extending them for a couple years until the nation is on more solid footing, then maybe we could talk. But this thief in the WH is hammering everyone at every turn.....READ THEIR BILLS!


j-mac
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I don't agree with your generalization. There was a study linked here a while back that showed tax cuts had no effect on jobs. So, with no effect, and the need to bring the deficit down, it seems to me going back to the previous tax rate is not a serious burden.

And j, you really do just drink too much of the kool aid. I know this sounds like an attack, but this type of exaggerated ahtred is really a problem. There is no theft going on. None of the silliness the becks and hannities and American thinker promote is real. it just saddens me to see so many eating this up.
 
Boo Radley said:
I don't agree with your generalization. There was a study linked here a while back that showed tax cuts had no effect on jobs. So, with no effect, and the need to bring the deficit down, it seems to me going back to the previous tax rate is not a serious burden.

And j, you really do just drink too much of the kool aid. I know this sounds like an attack, but this type of exaggerated ahtred is really a problem. There is no theft going on. None of the silliness the becks and hannities and American thinker promote is real. it just saddens me to see so many eating this up.
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That depends on who's money you think we are talking about here.


j-mac
 
Boo Radley said:
Sure they do. I think everyone knows that. But so does extending the tax cuts. The consequence will be greater debt.
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Which is exactly what I told you, professor, when you people elected mr obama in the first place.
 
Dutch said:
Which is exactly what I told you, professor, when you people elected mr obama in the first place.
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Had the same problem with the last preseident, and the one before him and the one before him and the one before him. This debt didn't just start under Obama.
 
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