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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Really I think the first thing the Republicans need to do is just see it Obama's way. Bohner has even gone so far as to back track and say they will just let Obama let the tax cuts on the rich expire, while the taxcuts on below 200k will be made permanent. How could they disagree on such a thing?
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I really hope that you can understand the difference between a closed door meeting and not compromising. One of the things that could have been discussed in the closed door meeting was how they were going to compromise with the Republicans.

    Unfortunately, the only "compromise" that the Republicans were interested in was to drop the whole idea of addressing the health care problem in America. What the Republicans offered was a non-solution. When the Democrats modified the program in order to meet Republican objections, the Republicans still voted no. Claiming that it was Obama who was not willing to compromise is, at best disingenuous, and at worst, just an outright lie.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Really I think the first thing the Republicans need to do is just see it Obama's way. Bohner has even gone so far as to back track and say they will just let Obama let the tax cuts on the rich expire, while the taxcuts on below 200k will be made permanent. How could they disagree on such a thing?
    Now, this is the beginning of a real compromise.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    All this reminds me of a joke.

    An employee is called to his office and is told by his boss... John I'm giving you a raise for the tremendous work you've been doing... You're a real asset to the company.
    John looks at the floor and says... Boss, if you give me that raise I won't qualify for seven government programs...
    ...Long pause...
    The Boss looks at John and says... OK... but if your work starts slipping, I'm going to give you that raise!

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Really I think the first thing the Republicans need to do is just see it Obama's way. Bohner has even gone so far as to back track and say they will just let Obama let the tax cuts on the rich expire, while the taxcuts on below 200k will be made permanent. How could they disagree on such a thing?
    Easy. Everyone is over-taxed, and the tax code is a game where the government is the middle-man who thieves money, loses a bunch during the transaction and then doles out what's left over where they think it should go.

    Sorry, that's not the American way. Cut taxes, gut government and get your farking fingers out of my life. If a state wants to try to tax, spend and micro-manage ... fine. I can move. With these corksoakers and motherflockers, you're a slave to them, their anti-American ideology and their idea of redistribution. And for what? Look at the mess it's created.

    It's time for government to be put back into the little box it was intended for. Strong where it should be (borders, military, intel) and weak where it's supposed to be (taxes, infringing on Liberty). And you notice... it's damn near the opposite?

    That's why Boehner should tell Obama to go fark himself. You see, Obama just got his ass kicked. Seeing as he likes to bow all over the world, it's time for him to bow-wow-wow to those that did the ass kicking a few weeks ago

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

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    How clever of you. Nothing like repeating a cliché from Sarah who doesn't even know that the so called "death panel" is end of life counseling that was first proposed by a Republican Senator. Damn Republicans complain when the Democrats don't do what they want and they complain when they do.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by zip98053 View Post
    You may have a nice relationship with your primary care provider. Not everyone has a primary care provider. Those people should be so lucky as to have someone to tell them how to care for their health. That is what the Obamacare system is intended to provide.

    I have had dealings with doctors who were more interested in how soon they could get me under the knife than they we interested in finding non-surgical alternatives. But that is not the point. Having everyone get access to doctors that are interested in keeping people healthy is the goal. While your personal physician may have an interest in your well being, I don't think that the same is true of your local hospital. Their goal is to make money (profits) as a result of people being sick. When you come in the door of a hospital, they are not wanting to get you on your way as fast as possible. They are looking at the insurance metrics for how much they can make off of someone who has whatever you have.

    A simple example of the kind of thing that we should have for everyone -- flu shots. If everyone had access to flu shots, the cost to the economy of the flu would be reduced. Having access to flu shots does not mean knowing where the local Wal Mart is where they are giving flu shots if you can pay for it. If means that everyone who wants a flu shot can get a flu shot. What happens in the current system, is that people who can't afford the shots don't get them and then they get the flu. They then go to the emergency room of some hospital for treatment. Since these people can't pay for the medical care, it gets transfered to "the system" and it is much higher than it would be if we had given them the flu shot in the first place.

    But, as usual, I'm wandering. The system is not optimal. It is not even close to reasonable, much less optimal.
    I don't have a regular doctor I avoid them unless absolutly necassary.I do have insurance if I need one. So it is my fault others can't make healthcare a priority? This is not the governments responsibility to force others to pay for your healthcare.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by zip98053 View Post
    I really hope that you can understand the difference between a closed door meeting and not compromising. One of the things that could have been discussed in the closed door meeting was how they were going to compromise with the Republicans.

    Unfortunately, the only "compromise" that the Republicans were interested in was to drop the whole idea of addressing the health care problem in America. What the Republicans offered was a non-solution. When the Democrats modified the program in order to meet Republican objections, the Republicans still voted no. Claiming that it was Obama who was not willing to compromise is, at best disingenuous, and at worst, just an outright lie.
    The democrats shut out the GOP and forced this useless healthcare bill on us without the GOP having a say

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by zip98053 View Post
    Now, this is the beginning of a real compromise.
    I see compromise is the GOP caving and let Obama be a dictator

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