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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    everyone has an option now

    we can buy insurance for ourselves or face criminalization

    Buy Insurance or Go to Jail? - The Note

    http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Polit...old_letter.pdf

    good job, barry

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Compromise to a radical liberal like Obama always means dropping your opposition, and seeing things his way.

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    Typical, useless, pandering, fallacious, conservative comment.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by zip98053 View Post
    Typical, useless, pandering, fallacious, conservative comment.
    But 100% true.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, the numebrs say this. Sure, some make a choice, but not all. And some choose wrong, and we pay for them when the do. And no, you have insurance, so if you're stupid, you and your insurance company can deal with it. It you didn't have insurance, and you were stupid, you'd go to the er and I and others would pick up the tab one way or another.

    But don't confuse two separate issues. The fact is many work but can't afford insurance. They can't afford care. And they aare left in the middle, with no good option.
    The fact is you are showing you are just another elitist lefty that thinks he knows what is best for everyone else. Keep talking we see what you are. This attitude by the left is turning us into a police state

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Now I understand your point about government involvement.

    Yes, I can see it all clearly now.



    You spend more then any other country on Health Care, and get worse results...

    Who's sustainable?

    (aren't you guys almost fully bankrupt?)
    On the other hand, we also have the most screwed up legal system which forces doctors to do stupid CYA things and run up medical costs. When you do health for profit, it is not in the best interests of the system to keep people healthy. The system only profits when people are sick. I don't understand why so-called capitalist conservatives can't understand the simple concept that the financial motivations of the current health care system are in opposition to having people be healthy.
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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by zip98053 View Post
    On the other hand, we also have the most screwed up legal system which forces doctors to do stupid CYA things and run up medical costs. When you do health for profit, it is not in the best interests of the system to keep people healthy. The system only profits when people are sick. I don't understand why so-called capitalist conservatives can't understand the simple concept that the financial motivations of the current health care system are in opposition to having people be healthy.

    How does Obama care change that?

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    How does Obama care change that?
    We get increased life expectency through death panels.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It appears Obama is not willing to compromise. Yet he expects others to

    Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts | Reuters

    With time running out and high political and economic stakes, Obama is pushing Democratic leaders to determine if they can win an acceptable extension of the cuts, which he could sign into law.

    Resurgent Republicans are demanding that all the tax cuts be renewed, including those for wealthier Americans -- individuals making more than $200,000 and families above$250,000.

    Obama favors renewing the tax cuts only for those at or below those level, saying the nation cannot afford to renew them for wealthier Americans.
    An Obama is right. Seems that the conservative definition of "compromise" is "do it my way". Obama needs to stand up to the people who do nothing but demand compromise and even when a compromise if offered, it isn't enough. It will never be enough for the dogmatic Republicans and Obama needs to side with the major of Americans who believe that, given the excessive deficit, letting the tax cuts for the wealthy laps is the right thing to do.

    Poll: Most Americans Want Tax Cuts for the Rich to Expire - Political Hotsheet - CBS News


    The Plum Line - New poll: Tax cut fight is winner for Dems in battleground states


    Gallup poll finds majority favor ending tax cuts for the rich - The Hill's On The Money

    It will be a very interesting game of chicken. Obama will accept extensions for everyone but the wealthy and the Republicans hold out for the wealthy. If the cuts laps because of the lack of "compromise" who is going to get skewered? Not Obama. The Republicans refusal to compromise on this issue at the expense of the vast majority of Americans probably will not sit all that well with the 95% of people who will see their taxes go up because the Republicans are looking out for their wealthy buddies (and themselves).

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    How does Obama care change that?
    It doesn't change the legal system. However, it does encourage health. Just like my medical plan at work. They are starting to spend on preventative medicine. Get everyone on insurance, then the insurance people will be encouraged to keep people healthy. There are protections in Obamacare to make sure that the insurance companies do not get to sacrifice people's health for the profit of the insurance companies. It would be leas of a problem if there was a single-payer system or even a public option so that we did not have to so closely monitor the insurance folks.

    Obamacare does a lot to re-balance the financial equation to emphasize health and not health care. Keeping people healthy is much less expensive than caring for them when they are sick.

    On the negative side, there's all those extra years of social security that they will be collecting.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    We get increased life expectancy through death panels.
    How clever of you. Nothing like repeating a cliché from Sarah who doesn't even know that the so called "death panel" is end of life counseling that was first proposed by a Republican Senator. Damn Republicans complain when the Democrats don't do what they want and they complain when they do.

    Seems that Republicans are more interested in spreading lies than seeking the truth.

    Sarah Palin's 'Death Panels' "Lie of the Year" - Associated Content from Yahoo! - associatedcontent.com

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