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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Which is what Obama care will give us.
    A lack of government health care? You're funny.


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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    today:

    Medicaid exists to give low-income families, especially low-income mothers and their children, access to health care. But for millions of Americans, Medicaid is an illusion. It is the appearance of coverage — without the power of access. The program is administered by states and funded jointly by states and the federal government. And it is bankrupting both, along with physicians and hospitals.

    Last year, the federal government spent $251 billion on Medicaid. Washington’s Medicaid tab is expected to rise to $458 billion by 2019, according to the Congressional Budget Office. For state governments, most of which must balance their budgets annually, Medicaid’s escalating growth is ruinous. Responding to rising costs and budgetary pressures, 48 states were forced to adopt “at least one new policy” to restrict their ballooning Medicaid costs in 2010, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

    Twenty states adopted Medicaid benefit restrictions, and 14 signaled intent to cut benefits next year. Thirty-nine states imposed a provider rate cut or freeze this year, and 37 plan to do so in 2011 — despite the fact that Medicaid pays providers significantly less than any other insurer and frequently less than cost.

    Consequently, patients suffer. In a March 15, 2010, article titled “As Medicaid Payments Shrink, Patients Are Abandoned,” The New York Times chronicled the experiences of several patients whose Medicaid coverage would not cover needed care. One was Carol Y. Vliet, who could not find a doctor to treat her metastatic cancer after Michigan imposed yet another round of Medicaid provider payment cuts. Vliet died seven days after the article appeared. Cases like Vliet’s are now all too common among Medicaid patients. A recent study of surgical outcomes found that patients are roughly as well off having Medicaid as they are having no health insurance, and “Medicaid payer status was associated with the longest length of stay and highest total costs” of any payer source.

    All this is before the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, which would put 16 million more Americans on Medicaid. Once the new law is fully in effect, roughly one in five Americans will carry a Medicaid card. But the combination of rapid beneficiary growth with benefit and provider cuts threatens to render their cards useless.
    Opinion: The dangers of the Medicaid illusion - Rep. Bill Cassidy - POLITICO.com

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    A lack of government health care? You're funny.

    No sub standard health care like my son gets on Medicaid

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    No sub standard health care like my son gets on Medicaid
    Whihc is not full government care. You do understand this don't you? It is nothing like a univerisal paywer would be like. This is a system where one side fights to shut it down and another fights to keep it running. Not to mention, in this system, only the ill and most likely to need care are in the pool. This skews the numbers and limits the resources available, something a universial payer would help.

    What this means is that you are looking in the wrong direction for the answer to this problem.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    please tell me no one here is arguing that obamacare is a good thing, on any level

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Whihc is not full government care. You do understand this don't you? It is nothing like a univerisal paywer would be like. This is a system where one side fights to shut it down and another fights to keep it running. Not to mention, in this system, only the ill and most likely to need care are in the pool. This skews the numbers and limits the resources available, something a universial payer would help.

    What this means is that you are looking in the wrong direction for the answer to this problem.
    Medicaid is for the poor. Is that not who Obama care is supposed to protect? Medicaid shows what the poor will get. Substandard healthcare.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    please tell me no one here is arguing that obamacare is a good thing, on any level
    As I have from the begining, I argue it is a step forward and that is better than the status quo. But I could use a good laugh, so do go on.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As I have from the begining, I argue it is a step forward and that is better than the status quo.
    sane people dont use that argument to justify ANYTHING.
    certainly you wouldnt teach that to your child, which would be a good gauge before you say something outlandish like that, in public, just FYI.

    A smarter approach to health care reform would be to gather ideas from all sides, respectfully.
    Passing something underhandedly, against the will of the majority is usually, and certainly in this case, an indication that it was a bad idea.

    "better than the status quo", I still cant get over you saying that, sorry.
    "better than the staus quo" should be left for things like providing condoms to school districts with a high pregnancy rate, not for issues involving 1/5 of the GNP.

    not being denied for pre-existing conditions, covering your "child" until he or she is 26, and a few other obvious upgrades didnt have to be accomplished riding on the back of another social program.

    You could pass three page legislation that would have accomplished the same thing.

    the other insult was calling it reform. reform for who?
    My health insurance went up 29%, then 25% consecutively since Obama came into office and made his plan seem iminent.
    I wonder why that was? posturing maybe?
    How will I ever make that up much less see a benefit.
    And now I will send some of my tax dollars to pay for someone elses plan, nice of me huh?
    thats redistribution amigo, this is America.

    First Massachusetts, of all states, the most liberal state in the union sent Scott Brown to stop it and Obama bypassed the senate to do it anyway,
    Now the midterms were message #2, from 80% of the country that his funny business is wearing thin.
    he got it, finally but it seems some in his party didnt, they too will be dealt with in good time.

    Obamacare is dead on arrival,

    NO FUNDING = NO OBAMACARE

    still laughing?
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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    You have an odd view. But I disagree. We've gathered the information. This problem was just discovered with Obama. We've been collecting ideas and working on it for decades, but the fear mongers have had great success wiht the socialism scare. By using misinformation, they have held back reform for as long as i can remember. With this history, a step is better than standing still. I stand by that.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You have an odd view. But I disagree. We've gathered the information. This problem was just discovered with Obama. We've been collecting ideas and working on it for decades, but the fear mongers have had great success wiht the socialism scare. By using misinformation, they have held back reform for as long as i can remember. With this history, a step is better than standing still. I stand by that.
    And after decades, we put together a bill that makes no sense that no one read. Then it passed.

    Most bogus "government" we've ever endured.

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