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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I have only challenged people to offer any objective (or even subjective) evidence to the contrary. You can't...... Its a typical "head-in-the-sand" conservative response that cannot comprehend the US being 2nd rate on anything. However, until you can look yourself in the mirror and do an honest self-assessment and see you strengths and your shortcomings, you are 2nd rate. The US healthcare system, in terms of delivering quality healthcare to its citizens IS 2nd rate by any objective measure. It costs more than any other in the world and produces mediocre results.

    I await a more sophisticated response than "the UN isn't credible", if you can.
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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I have only challenged people to offer any objective (or even subjective) evidence to the contrary. You can't...... Its a typical "head-in-the-sand" conservative response that cannot comprehend the US being 2nd rate on anything. However, until you can look yourself in the mirror and do an honest self-assessment and see you strengths and your shortcomings, you are 2nd rate. The US healthcare system, in terms of delivering quality healthcare to its citizens IS 2nd rate by any objective measure. It costs more than any other in the world and produces mediocre results.

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    I await a more sophisticated response than "the UN isn't credible", if you can.

    So what's wrong with the WHO and Commonwealth Fund studies? Let me count the ways.

    The WHO judged a country's quality of health on life expectancy. But that's a lousy measure of a health-care system. Many things that cause premature death have nothing do with medical care. We have far more fatal transportation accidents than other countries. That's not a health-care problem.

    Similarly, our homicide rate is 10 times higher than in the U.K., eight times higher than in France, and five times greater than in Canada.

    When you adjust for these "fatal injury" rates, U.S. life expectancy is actually higher than in nearly every other industrialized nation.

    Diet and lack of exercise also bring down average life expectancy.

    Another reason the U.S. didn't score high in the WHO rankings is that we are less socialistic than other nations. What has that got to do with the quality of health care? For the authors of the study, it's crucial. The WHO judged countries not on the absolute quality of health care, but on how "fairly" health care of any quality is "distributed." The problem here is obvious. By that criterion, a country with high-quality care overall but "unequal distribution" would rank below a country with lower quality care but equal distribution.

    It's when this so-called "fairness," a highly subjective standard, is factored in that the U.S. scores go south.

    The U.S. ranking is influenced heavily by the number of people -- 45 million -- without medical insurance. As I reported in previous columns, our government aggravates that problem by making insurance artificially expensive with, for example, mandates for coverage that many people would not choose and forbidding us to buy policies from companies in another state.

    Even with these interventions, the 45 million figure is misleading. Thirty-seven percent of that group live in households making more than $50,000 a year, says the U.S. Census Bureau. Nineteen percent are in households making more than $75,000 a year; 20 percent are not citizens, and 33 percent are eligible for existing government programs but are not enrolled.

    For all its problems, the U.S. ranks at the top for quality of care and innovation, including development of life-saving drugs. It "falters" only when the criterion is proximity to socialized medicine.

    RealClearPolitics - Articles - Why the U.S. Ranks Low on WHO's Health-Care Study

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    clearly the answer is to do what Obamacare did; and cut reimbursement rates by 27% so that neither specialists NOR general practicioners will accept medicaid, medicare, or tricare!


    right?
    The Doctor yesterday tried to discourage us from dental care said when my sons teeth get bad enough go to emergency room.

    This is the government health care

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    The Doctor yesterday tried to discourage us from dental care said when my sons teeth get bad enough go to emergency room.

    This is the government health care

    What you did not have the cash for the dentist?

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What you did not have the cash for the dentist?
    Yes I am paying the dentist for my 37 year old handicapped son. If I lived 30 miles south it would be covered. government funding and ways it is distibuted changes county to county

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

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    Maybe in Texas they didn't run run these issues, but here in Florida they sure did. Rick Scott knocked McCollum right out of the top spot by showing ads with him saying "We don't need a law like that here in Florida" (referring to Arizona's SB1070 immigration law). As for Islamization, it's a big issue in New York because of 9/11 and the Ground Zero Mosque (among other things).
    Also, to say the Tea party isn't in agreement on these + gun control and the death penalty doesn't sound quite right. Upon whay do you base that ?
    I don't think the disagreement over the ground zero mosque was along party lines.
    gun rights yes, because the tea party wants our gov. to uphold the constitution.
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    The tea party is made up of all kinds of peoples except for maybe no liberals or farther left than them, because they believe in big government and high taxes.
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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    The Doctor yesterday tried to discourage us from dental care said when my sons teeth get bad enough go to emergency room.

    This is the government health care
    NO, this is a lack of government health care.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Yes I am paying the dentist for my 37 year old handicapped son. If I lived 30 miles south it would be covered. government funding and ways it is distibuted changes county to county

    I feel for you and I hope the best. I think the dentist should be covered.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    NO, this is a lack of government health care.
    Which is what Obama care will give us.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I feel for you and I hope the best. I think the dentist should be covered.
    I know we already prepaid with a credit card.

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