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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Factually, no, you're incorrect here.
    Well, the "free" clinic is government run. How do you think it got that way?

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    From you NY Times link

    But the Clinton Administration has decided not to try to stop the smuggling even though the United States is trying to hold together a coalition in support of economic sanctions against Iraq.

    Pretty much I don't trust the government. Do you?
    yes, Clinotn is part of it. I have nothing different. But don't excuse republicans who are also part of it.

    And if you distrust government as you say, you ahve to distrust Bush and his reasons for war as well. I suspect you've very selective in your distrust.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, Carl Levin with new found majority status felt it necessary to investigate what he says was known about US apathy to OIF? Doesn't make sense.
    :conused: It was reported in 1998? Carl was sure planning ahead.


    I see, so Jordan had no other viable alternative to Iraqi oil, and between them and Turkey were giving us intel on Iraq, so we should have cut them off. I see....Seems pretty thin if you ask me.
    If we thougth Saddam was a threat and him getting rich was the problem. Yes, if not, then the Iraq war makes no sense. but this is all meaningless to the point I'm making above. You could try and address that point, . . . if you can.


    From your own article here: "The officials say the Clinton Administration has chosen to look the other way..."

    So I think I get it....During that time the far left was screaming how we were starving the children of Iraq, and when the tide shifted and Bush came in and unseated Hussein, and caught that austere body, the UN, with their hand in the cookie jar, they had to look for scapegoats instead of admitting that they were, are, and continue to be corrupt. Got it.
    Again, no where do I exclude Clinton here. So, you have no point that contradicts me here.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    This is government healthcare. Welcome to Obama care. How is it better when you can not find a specialist that accept medicaid?
    clearly the answer is to do what Obamacare did; and cut reimbursement rates by 27% so that neither specialists NOR general practicioners will accept medicaid, medicare, or tricare!


    right?

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Well, the "free" clinic is government run. How do you think it got that way?
    No, few free clinics are "government run." Some may have some government aid, but they are starved of resources, and it is often those who fight such funding that starve them. Most are funded anyway they can be, through private donations, any government aid they can get, volunteers, pop cans, haiving docotros donate free samples, or any other aid they can get. They're pissing in the wind, of course, but for far too many, that is the best they can get.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, few free clinics are "government run." Some may have some government aid, but they are starved of resources, and it is often those who fight such funding that starve them. Most are funded anyway they can be, through private donations, any government aid they can get, volunteers, pop cans, haiving docotros donate free samples, or any other aid they can get. They're pissing in the wind, of course, but for far too many, that is the best they can get.
    You ofcourse have documentation of this, No? You really wouldn't expect us to just take your word for it? Nah, not you Joe....

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You ofcourse have documentation of this, No? You really wouldn't expect us to just take your word for it? Nah, not you Joe....

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    They accomplish this through the use of volunteer health professionals and community volunteers, along with partnerships with other health providers.” Some free clinics rival local government health departments in size and scope of service with multi-million dollar budgets, specialized clinics and numerous locations.

    Free clinic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The clinics receive as much as $17,000 per year from the cities where they are located, but are funded primarily with donations coming from private foundations, corporations and local church and civic groups. The Danbury clinic is also helped by a partnership with Ridgefield-based Boehringer Ingelheim, a pharmaceutical company, that gives medication and medical products.

    Free clinics hit with more patients, less funding - Health - Health care - msnbc.com

    The clinics' average operating budget was $287,810. A total of 58.7% received no government funding. Funding was most often through charitable donations (90.6%), civic groups (66.8%), churches (66.3%), foundations (65.1%), and corporations (55.1%).

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/723562

    The Obstacles

    Resources, resources, resources. Every free clinic is in need of more resources. And the hardest thing to come by is often physician specialists. The complex medical problems these patients present require consultations with specialists with limited availability for this population. The patients’ common conditions create a constant need for general surgeons, orthopedists, gynecologists, cardiologists, gastroenterologists, urologists, endocrinologists, dermatologists and psychiatrists, among others. When these specialists are unavailable, there is often no alternative to sending the patient to a local emergency room—an expensive, inefficient approach.

    Another source of frustration is that because there are not many specialists available, not only do the patients miss their expertise, so do I. At the clinic I work at, I think I may have observed a pattern of a benign, but unusual liver condition in many of the patients who are Russian emigres. It should not affect their health in any way, but if it is an actual finding and not a coincidence, it suggests there may be a genetic predisposition in that population, something not described in the medical literature. It’s an interesting hypothesis, but one that is not likely to be tested simply because the resources and personnel are not available to do so. Little things like that make you miss the resources of the major medical center.
    Other resources are commonly in short supply—testing equipment, bandages and minor surgical instruments. Once I worked in a treatment room where someone had donated some medical textbooks that were available for reference. Unfortunately, a 1946 edition of Common Surgical Problems and a 1949 copy of Gynecology for the General Practitioner were of little help.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You ofcourse have documentation of this, No? You really wouldn't expect us to just take your word for it? Nah, not you Joe....

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    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Not true. No one gets turned away unless it is determined that they are just looking for a warm bed for the night, which happens.

    I know several doctors, and the liability is just too high to turn people away, even if someone comes in with a bad bruise.
    You are 100% WRONG. Its been doccumented on just not the news but VIA other media outlets. Another example of the Conservatives not knowing reality.
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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    WHY... do people insist on touting the UN rankings, when they are a freaking decade old, and the UN doesn;t even bother anymore?!?!?!!!
    I have only challenged people to offer any objective (or even subjective) evidence to the contrary. You can't...... Its a typical "head-in-the-sand" conservative response that cannot comprehend the US being 2nd rate on anything. However, until you can look yourself in the mirror and do an honest self-assessment and see you strengths and your shortcomings, you are 2nd rate. The US healthcare system, in terms of delivering quality healthcare to its citizens IS 2nd rate by any objective measure. It costs more than any other in the world and produces mediocre results.

    Life_expectancy_vs_spending_OECD.jpg

    I await a more sophisticated response than "the UN isn't credible", if you can.

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