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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It means the US healthcare is some of the best in the world
    We may have some of the best doctors and facilities in the world, but it does not mean we have the best healthcare. In fact, we are #37 on your WHO listening dial.

    The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

    I don't think we will make the playoffs. Time to fire the coach.

    The problem is the system does not work for the average citizen. Jetboogie's graphic well illustrates the problem: we have the most expensive healthcare system in the world and it produces mediocre results.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no - that is the narrow issue that you and libertarian right wing conservatives wish to prop up in your scheme to deprive tens of millions of people from voting in elections. You turtle, despite your pretend wealth, despite you proclaimed fortune, despite your boast of piles of cash in your mansion, you do not get to decide the issue. You do not get to take all the various taxes in this land and narrow it down to one and forget about the impact of paying all the others. No matter how hard you may try, no matter what the cato institute may say and no matter what right wing net pundits say. You do not get to decide that issue.


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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    We may have some of the best doctors and facilities in the world, but it does not mean we have the best healthcare. In fact, we are #37 on your WHO listening dial.

    The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

    I don't think we will make the playoffs. Time to fire the coach.

    The problem is the system does not work for the average citizen. Jetboogie's graphic well illustrates the problem: we have the most expensive healthcare system in the world and it produces mediocre results.
    yeah we wonder why so many rich Asians and Europeans come over here to get treated.



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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    We may have some of the best doctors and facilities in the world, but it does not mean we have the best healthcare. In fact, we are #37 on your WHO listening dial.

    The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

    I don't think we will make the playoffs. Time to fire the coach.

    The problem is the system does not work for the average citizen. Jetboogie's graphic well illustrates the problem: we have the most expensive healthcare system in the world and it produces mediocre results.
    You take the word of the UN they have no credibility on any subject.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah we wonder why so many rich Asians and Europeans come over here to get treated.
    Again, having great healthcare for the elite does not translate into having a great healthcare system. As a matter of illustration, Mexico and Saudi Arabia have some of the richest people in the world.... do I use that as an argument for the strength of their economic system?

    For the average American, its a poor system.... #37 per the World Health Organization, yet the most expensive in the world. I thought the private sector was more efficient than government --- better product at a lower cost? Apparently not in healthcare.

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    The US data on this is so egregiously out in right field (very, very high expense vis-a-vis the peer group) for very mediocre results, its embarrassingly indefensible.
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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You take the word of the UN they have no credibility on any subject.
    The World Health Organization is a reasonalby credible organization, but feel free to offer up some 3rd party that contradicts this assertion, if you can. Until you can, then I take 3 points for making my point.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    The World Health Organization is a reasonalby credible organization, but feel free to offer up some 3rd party that contradicts this assertion, if you can. Until you can, then I take 3 points for making my point.
    It is the UN that is not credible on any subject. The UN is a useless organization as is any organization they fund and run

    World Health Organization

    The World Health Organization (WHO) is the public health arm of United Nations, responsible for monitoring and responded to disease outbreaks, and other public health issues, around the world
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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You take the word of the UN they have no credibility on any subject.
    Makes it easier to ignore when you write thigns off that way.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Nice way to avoid calling Obama a liar a true tactic of an apologist
    Call whatever you will, but we can call all politicians liars, and we accept that. But let's not pretend all lies are equal. And I notice you never addressed what I actually said.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am really torn on Afghanistan these days....I'd love to agree with you liblady, largely because I don't think that 'nation building' is what anyone signed up for. And I also know that ending our involvement in that country would save us billions of dollars that we could sorely use here considering the pace at which demo, and repub progressives are burning through it. But there is a 'face' argument to be made is there not? "Cutting and running" would invite further attack, and project weakness would it not?


    j-mac
    nation building is exactly what bush signed us up for on day one. Odd that it is now a problem for you. Really, that's strange.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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