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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Every one in the US can get care
    Really? Have you seen the overwhelming lines at the free care given in Los Angeles and elsewhere?

    On Tuesday, volunteers provided 1,448 services to about 600 patients, including 95 tooth extractions, 470 fillings, 140 pairs of eyeglasses, 96 Pap smears and 93 tuberculosis tests, the organizers said. Hundreds of volunteer doctors, dentists, optometrists, nurses and others are expected to serve 8,000 patients by the end of the eight days.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/health/13clinic.html

    The number of people without health insurance has increased steadily since the beginning of the century, now totaling about 47 million Americans. Most Americans obtain health insurance coverage through their employers. With the cost of health insurance outpacing inflation and wage increases, more employers are opting out of the market. Family incomes have not kept pace with health care inflation making non-group coverage unaffordable for most low-income families. Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program help to fill in the coverage gap for millions, especially children.

    Access to Healthcare and the Uninsured Overview

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Really? Have you seen the overwhelming lines at the free care given in Los Angeles and elsewhere?

    On Tuesday, volunteers provided 1,448 services to about 600 patients, including 95 tooth extractions, 470 fillings, 140 pairs of eyeglasses, 96 Pap smears and 93 tuberculosis tests, the organizers said. Hundreds of volunteer doctors, dentists, optometrists, nurses and others are expected to serve 8,000 patients by the end of the eight days.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/health/13clinic.html

    The number of people without health insurance has increased steadily since the beginning of the century, now totaling about 47 million Americans. Most Americans obtain health insurance coverage through their employers. With the cost of health insurance outpacing inflation and wage increases, more employers are opting out of the market. Family incomes have not kept pace with health care inflation making non-group coverage unaffordable for most low-income families. Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program help to fill in the coverage gap for millions, especially children.

    Access to Healthcare and the Uninsured Overview
    Point is healthcare is available. Medicaid is for poor people

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Point is healthcare is available. Medicaid is for poor people
    If you cannot afford it, it is not available. Sorry.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If you cannot afford it, it is not available. Sorry.
    Wrong medicaid is for the poor. Emergency rooms must see you. to say no medical care is available is a lie

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Really? Have you seen the overwhelming lines at the free care given in Los Angeles and elsewhere?

    On Tuesday, volunteers provided 1,448 services to about 600 patients, including 95 tooth extractions, 470 fillings, 140 pairs of eyeglasses, 96 Pap smears and 93 tuberculosis tests, the organizers said. Hundreds of volunteer doctors, dentists, optometrists, nurses and others are expected to serve 8,000 patients by the end of the eight days.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/health/13clinic.html

    The number of people without health insurance has increased steadily since the beginning of the century, now totaling about 47 million Americans. Most Americans obtain health insurance coverage through their employers. With the cost of health insurance outpacing inflation and wage increases, more employers are opting out of the market. Family incomes have not kept pace with health care inflation making non-group coverage unaffordable for most low-income families. Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program help to fill in the coverage gap for millions, especially children.

    Access to Healthcare and the Uninsured Overview
    Quick side note about the bolded statement above...

    Was anyone aware that in most states, it is illegal for a phsyician not licensed in a state to volunteer for this type of work in said state? Which makes it VERY difficult to get this type of volunteer work done in states that already have fewer physicians available. Bills have been put before congress to address this and allow physicians to do volunteer work outside their state of license, but most die in committee.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Wrong medicaid is for the poor. Emergency rooms must see you. to say no medical care is available is a lie
    That is only for emergencies. People do go with out proper care on a regular basis. Sorry, but you're confusing things.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That is only for emergencies. People do go with out proper care on a regular basis. Sorry, but you're confusing things.
    no you are. if you are poor get medicaid. otherwise make healthcare a priority or go without it is your choice. drugstores like CVS and Walgreens now have nurse practitioners on staff. People make their own choices you are distorting that.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    no you are. if you are poor get medicaid. otherwise make healthcare a priority or go without it is your choice. drugstores like CVS and Walgreens now have nurse practitioners on staff. People make their own choices you are distorting that.
    I'm sorry, but medicaid does not cover all who can't afford healthcare. It only covers the very poor. And nurse practioners is not enough, nor adequate enough to cover all the needs. Hell, I know more than the nurse parctioner I recently saw at Wlagreens, and that is not saying much.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm sorry, but medicaid does not cover all who can't afford healthcare. It only covers the very poor. And nurse practioners is not enough, nor adequate enough to cover all the needs. Hell, I know more than the nurse parctioner I recently saw at Wlagreens, and that is not saying much.
    So you set the standards? You distort this because many choose not to get insurance. I seldom go to doctors does that mean I fit into your problem even though I have my own insurance?

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So you set the standards? You distort this because many choose not to get insurance. I seldom go to doctors does that mean I fit into your problem even though I have my own insurance?
    No, the numebrs say this. Sure, some make a choice, but not all. And some choose wrong, and we pay for them when the do. And no, you have insurance, so if you're stupid, you and your insurance company can deal with it. It you didn't have insurance, and you were stupid, you'd go to the er and I and others would pick up the tab one way or another.

    But don't confuse two separate issues. The fact is many work but can't afford insurance. They can't afford care. And they aare left in the middle, with no good option.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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