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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

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    You haven't been paying attention, professor. I've been telling you for years I voted for the republicans if only because I saw them as the lesser of two evils, the democratic party being the worse of two evils. Apparently, I wasn't alone.

    The tea party are a group of individuals that are involved in a hostile takeover of the republican party. They want the party to return to it's roots as a party of fiscal responsibility and smaller government. I guess you could call me a tea partier too as that's what I want. I have no idea if the movement will be successful. The odds and the leadership of the republican party are against it.

    The election of mr obama and the last two years of thier legislative agenda have simply been too much for too many of us, the last straw if you will.

    You are a left of center man. I'm a right of center man. If there is something you don't understand about conservatives......just ask. I'll stear you right.
    The tea party on the whole is even more disconnected than anyone else. So, I'm not too impressed by them. And as Obama has done too little, I doubt very seriously it is really actions by Obama that is the major factor in this incoherent anger we see today.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

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    The tea party on the whole is even more disconnected than anyone else. So, I'm not too impressed by them. And as Obama has done too little, I doubt very seriously it is really actions by Obama that is the major factor in this incoherent anger we see today.
    The tea partiers are disconnected from......whom? Mr obama has done too little for........whom?

    Professor, you insist on looking at the present political situation from the perspective of whom you are. The tea partiers are the base of the republican party. Whatever the republican leadership does they will have to tread lightly here. If they continue to disappoint, they will lose their base. That makes the tea partiers pretty "connected."

    In regards to mr obama, he has done far too much......from the perspective of the conservatives of this country. I might also add he's done far too much for the majority of those who consider themselves independents.

    For an educated man you have always been strangely myoptic. I don't mean that as a perjorative. It's just something I've always wondered about.
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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

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    The tea partiers are disconnected from......whom? Mr obama has done too little for........whom?

    Professor, you insist on looking at the present political situation from the perspective of whom you are. The tea partiers are the base of the republican party. Whatever the republican leadership does they will have to tread lightly here. If they continue to disappoint, they will lose their base. That makes the tea partiers pretty "connected."

    In regards to mr obama, he has done far too much......from the perspective of the conservatives of this country. I might also add he's done far too much for the majority of those who consider themselves independents.

    For an educated man you have always been strangely myoptic. I don't mean that as a perjorative. It's just something I've always wondered about.
    From reality. Tea partiers on the whole are incoherent and lack actual knowledge on a variety of subjects, including the what the Consititution actually says.

    Obama has done very little. His health care reform was too waterded down by compromise. Exit polling showed (I linked that in another thread) that 1/3 thought he did too much with healthcare reform. 1/3 the right amount, and 1/3 too little. Hard to factually argue he was against the people based on those numbers.

    Not sure what you mean by the myopic comment. I see the big picture, see the long run, and am not narrowminded. However, I am near sighted.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Bush and the republican party spent too much money. This administration has just about matched them in only too years. It makes little sense to complain about republicans spending too much money and then elect a democratic administration that spends even more even faster, professor.
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    Not sure that is factually true
    National Debt Up $3 Trillion on Obama's Watch - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

    The Debt increased $4.9 trillion during President Bush's two terms. The Administration has projected the National Debt will soar in Mr. Obama's fourth year in office to nearly $16.5-trillion in 2012. That's more than 100 percent of the value of the nation's economy and $5.9-trillion above what it was his first day on the job.
    4.9T in 8 years vs 5.9 in 4, according to the white house
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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I see the big picture, see the long run, and am not narrowminded.
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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    from the nyt, via cnbc:

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    interest on the debt alone to approach a tril per year by 2019

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    The point is the money is not the governments. Taxes is not what the government deserves but is the government taking what others have earned. Tax cuts do not cost the government money it allows people to keep their own money. What causes the debt is the government not living with in its means the way the rest of us have to. The government needs to realize that tax money is not a right and they need to realize that people should get to keep more of what they work hard to make.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

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    Lord, you guys do sucker easliy for hyperbole. There's no socialism let alone communism here.

    But once you accept the republican plan of mandating health care over a public option, you had to deal with the insurance companies. You can't do away with pre-existing condition, cover all children without either the government providing a plan or mandating insurance. The public has a real disconnect here.
    Milton Friedman called it a Commi System and a Socialist-Communist system (covering both bases for the illiterate) before ObamaKare... I know you won't take this Nobel Laureate's word, but we know you're a socialist loving defender... capable of dismissing fact like all good socialist soldiers do... so what else is new under the sun? Ten Hut Komrade!
    LA: Is there an area here in the United States in which we have not been as aggressive as we should in promoting property rights and free markets?

    MF: Yes, in the field of medical care. We have a socialist-communist system of distributing medical care. Instead of letting people hire their own physicians and pay them, no one pays his or her own medical bills. Instead, there's a third party payment system. It is a communist system and it has a communist result.

    http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprim...=2006&month=07
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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Milton Friedman called it a Commi System and a Socialist-Communist system (covering both bases for the illiterate) before ObamaKare... I know you won't take this Nobel Laureate's word, but we know you're a socialist loving defender... capable of dismissing fact like all good socialist soldiers do... so what else is new under the sun? Ten Hut Komrade!


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    The energizer bunny of the Hyperpartisan right everybody!

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

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    The energizer bunny of the Hyperpartisan right everybody!
    You know the socialists are defeated when their best defense is to strike against the poster, and say nothing about the subject at hand.

    As you oppose me at every turn, are you a Hyperpartisan socialist? Nah... you're merely a motivated socialist... this "Hyperpartisan" BS is just that... BS. If someone believes in something and is capable of defending and promoting it vigorously... and the opponent cannot defend against it, the mental midgets bring out the "Hyperpartisan" label.

    Better keep that wabbit, Obama and the Dems will need all of them they can get their hands on, as they party is running out of them.

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