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    nonsense... they are nowhere NEAR as honset and truthful as this site...

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    Barack Hussein Obama II (aka Barry Soetoro,[1][2][3] said to have been born in Honolulu August 4, 1961[4][5][6][7][8]) is the 44th President of the United States, and the first President who is biracial. He has been associated with numerous fringe radical groups and causes[9] and served less than four years as a first-term Democratic Senator from Illinois (2005-2008). In a highly controversial decision, after what critics dubbed the "world apology tour," Obama was the recipient of the 2009 Nobel Peace prize.

    The United States has recorded the highest deficits as a share of GDP since 1945 in Obama's first two years;[10][11] correspondingly, poverty[12] and unemployment have increased markedly to record levels not seen in more than 50 years.[13] One half million workers per week continued to lose their jobs well into the "Recovery Summer". The Unemployment Rate has stagnated in the 10% range [14] with tens of millions more affected by Underemployment, long term disaffection, and loss of hope of finding a employment.[15] Obama's signature legislative achievement, ObamaCare, is cited as a major cause of unemployment,[16] a drag on job creation,[17] and risk of a Greek-style debt crisis.[18][19] Despite advice from his own economic advisers,[20] Obama has promised tax increases to take affect January 1, 2011, in the midst of the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression.
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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Dems unmoved by W.H. statement | POLITICO 44

    The White House isn’t overly impressed with Nancy Pelosi’s rapid passage of a measure permanently extending tax cuts only for middle-class earners – or by reports that a deal with the GOP on the cuts is imminent.

    In a statement seemingly intended to douse the entire Hill in cold water, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs faintly praised Democrats’ passage of the extension for families making $250,000: “The President continues to believe that extending middle class tax cuts is the most important thing we can do for our economy right now and he applauds the House for passing a permanent extension.”

    He quickly added: “But, because Republicans have made it clear that they won’t pass a middle class extension without also extending tax cuts for the wealthy, the President has asked Director Lew and Secretary Geithner to work with Congress to find a way forward. Those discussions started just yesterday and are continuing this afternoon.”

    Hill Democrats were unimpressed and said Gibbs’s statement only served to reinforce their fear that the administration had already given up the idea of challenging the GOP to vote for the middle-class cuts – or let all of them expire by the end of the year.

    But if a deal is really in the offing, Gibbs warned that it would come later rather than sooner.

    “The talks are ongoing and productive, but any reports that we are near a deal in the tax cuts negotiations are inaccurate and premature,” he said.
    worst of both worlds---on record for TAX HIKES (in times like these) with ZERO chance of ultimate realization

    all the political pain, no gain

    why are geithner and lew NEGOTIATING, nancy?

    and, mr gibbs, later rather than sooner?

    taxes go up on middle earners by about $4000 per year in only THREE WEEKS unless house AND senate pass some IDENTICAL measure---AND the president must sign it

    plaudits, ms p!

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Reid sets tax cut vote as talks continue - Carrie Budoff Brown and Glenn Thrush and Manu Raju - POLITICO.com

    The decision to schedule a vote reflects a growing frustration among Democrats as they try to keep the administration from negotiating away their must-do list of legislative initiatives. In repeated meetings this week, White House officials made it clear to Senate Democrats they were willing to accept temporary extensions of the tax cuts for all income groups rather than risk the defeat of the START treaty, according to two Senate staffers familiar with the talks.

    But Senate Democrats have expressed concern about whether they would get enough in return for agreeing to a temporary tax cut extension, which many would view as a cave-in on the first major test for Democrats after a midterm election drubbing. "Democrats have been blasting the Bush tax cuts for 10 years. We aren't going to pass up a chance to vote our conscience on them because the White House has decided to negotiate it away for an extension of Ronald Reagan's START treaty," said a Senate Democratic staffer close to the talks.

    Senate Democrats emerged from a nearly three-hour caucus meeting Thursday as divided as when they started, with no clear endgame for resolving the partisan standoff over tax cuts. "People were all over the map here," one Democratic senator said. "A lot of very strong opinions were expressed."

    The meeting focused exclusively on tax cuts, and a number of senators expressed serious frustration at the willingness of the White House to cave in on a two-year tax cut extension that's unpaid for, saying it was unfair that benefits for the jobless had to be offset but not tax cuts for the wealthy. But others said that their colleagues needed to accept the political reality that the cuts would be extended temporarily — and that the caucus needed to structure the votes so it can get the best political deal possible.
    the members are also pissed at leadership's abject SURRENDER on dream and DON'T ASK DON'T TELL

    are you sure these people know what they're doing?

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Obama has not folded on anything, he has locked out the GOP and rammed his agenda forward. He no longer can do that since he lost his senate fillibuster proof majority and the house.
    He has folded on most things: 1) the healthcare legislation was so watered-down, its almost meaningless; 2) the financial reform legislation is weak, 3) the stimulus was 1/2 the size it should have been with far too much (1/3) in tax cuts, which are generally less effective of a stimulus than spending.... and, it contained far too much pork without real targeting of the spending and 4) the fact that the "bush tax cuts is still an open issue is beyond belief given the majority of americans are opposed to extending the credits on the upper incomes and he has a majority in the congress.

    I think the Dems have the real ideas; but are the clearly the weaker half..... the party of wimps gives way to the party of fools.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    He has folded on most things: 1) the healthcare legislation was so watered-down, its almost meaningless; 2) the financial reform legislation is weak, 3) the stimulus was 1/2 the size it should have been with far too much (1/3) in tax cuts, which are generally less effective of a stimulus than spending.... and, it contained far too much pork without real targeting of the spending and 4) the fact that the "bush tax cuts is still an open issue is beyond belief given the majority of americans are opposed to extending the credits on the upper incomes and he has a majority in the congress.

    I think the Dems have the real ideas; but are the clearly the weaker half..... the party of wimps gives way to the party of fools.
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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    well, one thing is clear

    the party of whimps is giving way to the american people

    it happened on tsunami tuesday

    perhaps you saw the headlines

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

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    Now this... this is a truly factual website filled with no inaccuracies and the complete truth.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Had the same problem with the last preseident, and the one before him and the one before him and the one before him. This debt didn't just start under Obama.
    Bush and the republican party spent too much money. This administration has just about matched them in only too years. It makes little sense to complain about republicans spending too much money and then elect a democratic administration that spends even more even faster, professor.
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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Bush and the republican party spent too much money. This administration has just about matched them in only too years. It makes little sense to complain about republicans spending too much money and then elect a democratic administration that spends even more even faster, professor.
    Not sure that is factually true, but even if it were, that still only means a continuation of the problem and not a new problem. yet, the reaction has been like it was new and only Obama. I find that odd.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure that is factually true, but even if it were, that still only means a continuation of the problem and not a new problem. yet, the reaction has been like it was new and only Obama. I find that odd.
    You haven't been paying attention, professor. I've been telling you for years I voted for the republicans if only because I saw them as the lesser of two evils, the democratic party being the worse of two evils. Apparently, I wasn't alone.

    The tea party are a group of individuals that are involved in a hostile takeover of the republican party. They want the party to return to it's roots as a party of fiscal responsibility and smaller government. I guess you could call me a tea partier too as that's what I want. I have no idea if the movement will be successful. The odds and the leadership of the republican party are against it.

    The election of mr obama and the last two years of thier legislative agenda have simply been too much for too many of us, the last straw if you will.

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