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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    What is your point? Obama will add to the doctor shortage. You can't add millions and not increase the doctor shortage
    Points:

    1) the AMA keeps the doctor number down.

    2) there are other ways to address the shortage, all of which will provide better care for more than we presently have.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Points:

    1) the AMA keeps the doctor number down.
    Prove it.

    2) there are other ways to address the shortage, all of which will provide better care for more than we presently have.
    Again prove it, and please show us your credentials to make these absurd statements.

    In any case, I think this highlights what went on since Obama was elected....




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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Prove it.
    I have a link above, and there's an entire thread on it in the Health care forum.


    Again prove it, and please show us your credentials to make these absurd statements.

    In any case, I think this highlights what went on since Obama was elected....




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    Two links from the AMA above.

    And showing clips without providing history, recalling that the republican entire effort was to kill it regardless of what was in it, even when republicna ideas were adopted. This is one problem I often have with the republicna arguments. Had they showed real effort to participate, I might well have agreed with you.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I have a link above, and there's an entire thread on it in the Health care forum.


    Again prove it, and please show us your credentials to make these absurd statements.



    Two links from the AMA above.

    The AMA is in Obama's pocket. They are a joke.

    Now as for your credentials?

    And showing clips without providing history, recalling that the republican entire effort was to kill it regardless of what was in it, even when republicna ideas were adopted. This is one problem I often have with the republicna arguments. Had they showed real effort to participate, I might well have agreed with you.
    Watch the clip Joe, the member explains it rather well.


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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

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    The AMA is in Obama's pocket. They are a joke.
    So, now, anyone who agrees is in his pocket? Does this apply to anyone who agress with anyone?

    Now as for your credentials?
    What credentials do you think I need? What credentials do you need? We should get this straight, don't you think?



    Watch the clip Joe, the member explains it rather well.


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    I did watch it. It does not cover the entiore history that came before it.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Points:

    1) the AMA keeps the doctor number down.

    2) there are other ways to address the shortage, all of which will provide better care for more than we presently have.
    Not the point. Obama has done his bill without looking at the consequences. This shows his incompetence and lack of leadership.

    What way is Obama addressing this?

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Not the point. Obama has done his bill without looking at the consequences. This shows his incompetence and lack of leadership.

    What way is Obama addressing this?
    No, that's your spin.


    . . . contains a number of measures designed to boost the provision of and payment for primary care services. According to analysts interviewed by AAFP News Now, implementation of these measures should lead to a greater role for primary care and family physicians in the U.S. health care system.

    (providing more pay is an effort)

    The health care reform law attempts to enhance the role of primary care via a variety of mechanisms, including through higher Medicare and Medicaid payments for primary care, innovative payment models to reward value instead of volume, and a substantial investment in the primary care workforce. In January, for example, Medicare will start paying certain primary care physicians -- those for whom primary care services comprise at least 60 percent of their total Medicare services -- a 10 percent bonus for the primary care services they provide.

    (Same can be said for the above)

    Consequently, the law provides $11 billion more in dedicated funding for community health centers and $1.5 billion in dedicated funding for the National Health Service Corps from 2011 to 2015. It also reauthorizes Section 747 of Title VII of the Public Health Service Act, the only federal program that provides funds to academic departments of family medicine and family medicine residency programs to increase training of family physicians.

    (And this shows they have a plan to help increase the number of physicians)

    Provisions in Health Care Reform Law Lay Out Role of Primary Care, Family Physicians -- AAFP News Now -- American Academy of Family Physicians

    I'm sure you will note that the green words are mine. But this is just one link. There are many others explaining these efforts. So it would be factually incorrect to say there was no planning for this.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, that's your spin.


    . . . contains a number of measures designed to boost the provision of and payment for primary care services. According to analysts interviewed by AAFP News Now, implementation of these measures should lead to a greater role for primary care and family physicians in the U.S. health care system.

    (providing more pay is an effort)

    The health care reform law attempts to enhance the role of primary care via a variety of mechanisms, including through higher Medicare and Medicaid payments for primary care, innovative payment models to reward value instead of volume, and a substantial investment in the primary care workforce. In January, for example, Medicare will start paying certain primary care physicians -- those for whom primary care services comprise at least 60 percent of their total Medicare services -- a 10 percent bonus for the primary care services they provide.

    (Same can be said for the above)

    Consequently, the law provides $11 billion more in dedicated funding for community health centers and $1.5 billion in dedicated funding for the National Health Service Corps from 2011 to 2015. It also reauthorizes Section 747 of Title VII of the Public Health Service Act, the only federal program that provides funds to academic departments of family medicine and family medicine residency programs to increase training of family physicians.

    (And this shows they have a plan to help increase the number of physicians)

    Provisions in Health Care Reform Law Lay Out Role of Primary Care, Family Physicians -- AAFP News Now -- American Academy of Family Physicians

    I'm sure you will note that the green words are mine. But this is just one link. There are many others explaining these efforts. So it would be factually incorrect to say there was no planning for this.
    But where do the needed doctors come from? Adding buildings without more doctors will not help

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    But where do the needed doctors come from? Adding buildings without more doctors will not help
    Go back to the AMA denying people admission to medical school. There are more than effort candidates, but they have been held back by the AMA. The federal government, as noted above, will encourage more being admitted.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Go back to the AMA denying people admission to medical school. There are more than effort candidates, but they have been held back by the AMA. The federal government, as noted above, will encourage more being admitted.
    The association has managed so far to escape the wrath of MoveOn.org and other Democratic apparatchiks by muting its opposition to their beloved public option--the proposed government-run health care plan--and joining a coalition of industry groups pledging to cut $80 billion in health care costs over the next decade. The president has been touting these savings as if they have been signed, sealed and delivered to the bank. But anyone who buys--even for a nano-second--that anything good can come for taxpayers or patients from an alliance between Big Government and Big Medicine should see a doctor.

    The fact of the matter is that even if the AMA delivered its share of these "savings," it wouldn't begin to make up for the costs it imposes on the country--both in lost dollars and poorer patient care.

    The Evil-Mongering Of The American Medical Association - Forbes.com

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