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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, he didn't. He wanted a public option. What we ahve is the compromise.
    The Bamster didn't compromise with Republicans. The Bamster shoved Obamacare down their throats without a single Republican vote.

    That wasn't true for Social Security or Medicare.
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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    The Bamster didn't compromise with Republicans. The Bamster shoved Obamacare down their throats without a single Republican vote.

    That wasn't true for Social Security or Medicare.
    Factually incorrect. The mandate was a republican idea, adopted when the public option became untenable.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Factually incorrect. The mandate was a republican idea, adopted when the public option became untenable.
    The Mandate's origin is irrelevant. Obamacare was opposed by each and every Republican in Congress. That makes Obamacare illegitimate in a philosophical sense.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    LOL!

    obamacare with its CRIMINAL MANDATE was reconciled in senate with ZERO republican votes

    it passed pelosi's place with ONE red assent, mr cao, the vietnamese seminarian from new orleans

    live it, libs, love it

    it's ALL yours!

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    The Mandate's origin is irrelevant. Obamacare was opposed by each and every Republican in Congress. That makes Obamacare illegitimate in a philosophical sense.
    Of course, as they were opposed to Obama no matter what he proposed. This is accepted. It was their clear strategy, which is why they even opposed their own ideas. But let's not pretend their ideas were not adopted. When a party says we're going to oppose everything you do, even when you accept our own ideas, that party loese the right to be involved.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Of course, as they were opposed to Obama no matter what he proposed. This is accepted. It was their clear strategy, which is why they even opposed their own ideas. But let's not pretend their ideas were not adopted. When a party says we're going to oppose everything you do, even when you accept our own ideas, that party loese the right to be involved.
    Objectively, fault is irrelevant and cannot be proven. Both sides have the ability to cause the other side to fail. It is the subjective opinion of conservatives that your side established new rules for political opposition during the second Bush administration. Your side established a precedent for the proper treatment of presidents by members of the opposition. Conservatives have simply embraced leftist tactics.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    loses the right to be involved---LOL!

    tell it to the voters on tsunami tuesday

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, he didn't. He wanted a public option. What we ahve is the compromise.
    Nice try but it is still Obama's bad bill

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You do realize this is nothing more than an opinion piece, right? Allow me to give you some reading in return:

    One of the basic distinctions which Fein makes in the first chapter of his monograph on the physician shortage is that measuring the supply of physicians is one thing and measuring the supply of physician's services is quite another. From this distinction he derives the hypothesis that increasing the number of physicians is not necessarily the best solution to the current manpower problem. The remaining four chapters test this hypothesis by defining the terms of the physician manpower controversy, summarizing past arguments, and placing the manpower problem in a meaningful context of demand and supply.

    JAMA -- Excerpt: The Doctor Shortage: An Economic Diagnosis, November 20, 1967, Balfe 202 (8): 849

    THE NATIONAL shortage of physicians continues to receive widespread attention. Although many people agree there are locations in need of physicians, it has been difficult to determine satisfactorily the total national need for additional physicians.

    JAMA -- Excerpt: Is There A Doctor Shortage?, March 25, 1974, Cooper 227 (12): 1410

    Since AMA's creation of the Council a century ago, the U.S. population (75 million in 1900, 288 million in 2002) has increased in size by 284%, yet the number of medical schools has declined by 26% to 123.[8] [9] In terms of admissions limits, the peak year for applicants at U.S. schools was 1996 at 47,000 applications with a limit of 16,500 accepted. [10] This works out to roughly 64% of applications rejected. [11] On a micro level, for the last six years the University of Alabama (hardly a beacon of prestige in the medical discipline) has averaged about 1,498 applicants per year with an average of about 194 accepted. This is about an 87% rejection rate. The sizes of the entering classes have been of course even smaller, averaging about 161.

    AMA would likely argue that there's nothing necessarily wrong with very high rejection rates. This is correct, except for the fact that these rates are being applied to pools of candidates who are cream-of-the-crop in quality and have put themselves through a very costly admissions process. [12] Current admissions practices could still be justified by what Milton Friedman (1982, p. 153) refers to as a "Cadillac standard." (Getting away from the pop-culture anachronisms of the 1960s, let's say "Lexus standard" a la the government decides that every driver today deserves nothing less than Lexus quality.) Applied to health care, the benefits of a Lexus standard could supposedly offset the costs of rejecting many ostensibly qualified applicants.

    100 Years of Medical Robbery - Dale Steinreich - Mises Daily
    What is your point? Obama will add to the doctor shortage. You can't add millions and not increase the doctor shortage

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    LOL!

    obamacare with its CRIMINAL MANDATE was reconciled in senate with ZERO republican votes

    it passed pelosi's place with ONE red assent, mr cao, the vietnamese seminarian from new orleanslive it, libs, love it

    it's ALL yours!
    Mr. Cao got his butt kicked too. The dem took 65% of the vote. I guess the tea party and Republicans weren't too thrilled with his voting record.
    Catawa is my favorite bleeding heart liberal.
    1/27/12

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