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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Now I understand your point about government involvement.

    Yes, I can see it all clearly now.



    You spend more then any other country on Health Care, and get worse results...

    Who's sustainable?

    (aren't you guys almost fully bankrupt?)

    Clever, who is that little disingenuous graph from? The UN and its skewed report? yeah ok, go socialism on a global scale! Right?

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Clever, who is that little disingenuous graph from? The UN and its skewed report? yeah ok, go socialism on a global scale! Right?

    j-mac
    You should really learn what socialism is. I'm just saying.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It is true Obama got what he wanted and it is a bad bill
    No, he didn't. He wanted a public option. What we ahve is the compromise.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    You do realize this is nothing more than an opinion piece, right? Allow me to give you some reading in return:

    One of the basic distinctions which Fein makes in the first chapter of his monograph on the physician shortage is that measuring the supply of physicians is one thing and measuring the supply of physician's services is quite another. From this distinction he derives the hypothesis that increasing the number of physicians is not necessarily the best solution to the current manpower problem. The remaining four chapters test this hypothesis by defining the terms of the physician manpower controversy, summarizing past arguments, and placing the manpower problem in a meaningful context of demand and supply.

    JAMA -- Excerpt: The Doctor Shortage: An Economic Diagnosis, November 20, 1967, Balfe 202 (8): 849

    THE NATIONAL shortage of physicians continues to receive widespread attention. Although many people agree there are locations in need of physicians, it has been difficult to determine satisfactorily the total national need for additional physicians.

    JAMA -- Excerpt: Is There A Doctor Shortage?, March 25, 1974, Cooper 227 (12): 1410

    Since AMA's creation of the Council a century ago, the U.S. population (75 million in 1900, 288 million in 2002) has increased in size by 284%, yet the number of medical schools has declined by 26% to 123.[8] [9] In terms of admissions limits, the peak year for applicants at U.S. schools was 1996 at 47,000 applications with a limit of 16,500 accepted. [10] This works out to roughly 64% of applications rejected. [11] On a micro level, for the last six years the University of Alabama (hardly a beacon of prestige in the medical discipline) has averaged about 1,498 applicants per year with an average of about 194 accepted. This is about an 87% rejection rate. The sizes of the entering classes have been of course even smaller, averaging about 161.

    AMA would likely argue that there's nothing necessarily wrong with very high rejection rates. This is correct, except for the fact that these rates are being applied to pools of candidates who are cream-of-the-crop in quality and have put themselves through a very costly admissions process. [12] Current admissions practices could still be justified by what Milton Friedman (1982, p. 153) refers to as a "Cadillac standard." (Getting away from the pop-culture anachronisms of the 1960s, let's say "Lexus standard" a la the government decides that every driver today deserves nothing less than Lexus quality.) Applied to health care, the benefits of a Lexus standard could supposedly offset the costs of rejecting many ostensibly qualified applicants.

    100 Years of Medical Robbery - Dale Steinreich - Mises Daily

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, he didn't. He wanted a public option. What we ahve is the compromise.
    What we have is a bill that took bribes, lies, parliamentary tricks, and passage without even being read... even after MA voted Brown in to send a message to the Dems.

    Milton Friedman called the pre-ObamaKare healthcare system Communist in nature, but ObamaKare doesn't rise to the level of socialist?
    LA: Is there an area here in the United States in which we have not been as aggressive as we should in promoting property rights and free markets?

    MF: Yes, in the field of medical care. We have a socialist-communist system of distributing medical care...

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    And what compromise? ROTFLOL...
    The House voted 219 to 212 to approve the measure, with every Republican voting no.
    The 34 Democratic defectors...
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...032100943.html
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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Interesting part of the article:

    A list of about 500 concierge doctors throughout the country is available on Dr. Knope’s Web site, www.conciergemedicinemd.com.
    Is the care worth the money? Harold and Margret Thomas, who are in their mid-70s and live in Cincinnati, spend the winter in Tucson. After many phone calls, the couple were unable to find an internist in Tucson who took new Medicare patients, so they signed with Dr. Knope in 1996. Five years ago, when Mrs. Thomas developed a blinding headache, her husband called the doctor at 8 o’clock one night, and he, suspecting an aneurysm, insisted they get to the emergency room immediately.
    The doctor met them and ordered an M.R.I. and a CT scan. The tests revealed an aneurysm, and Dr. Knope found a surgeon who quickly operated. Medicare paid for the emergency room, the surgery and the hospital stay.
    also from the times link:

    EARLY this year, Barbara Plumb, a freelance editor and writer in New York who is on Medicare, received a disturbing letter. Her gynecologist informed her that she was opting out of Medicare. When Ms. Plumb asked her primary-care doctor to recommend another gynecologist who took Medicare, the doctor responded that she didn’t know any — and that if Ms. Plumb found one she liked, could she call and tell her the name?

    Many people, just as they become eligible for Medicare, discover that the insurance rug has been pulled out from under them. Some doctors — often internists but also gastroenterologists, gynecologists, psychiatrists and other specialists — are no longer accepting Medicare, either because they have opted out of the insurance system or they are not accepting new patients with Medicare coverage. The doctors’ reasons: reimbursement rates are too low and paperwork too much of a hassle.

    The solution to this problem is to find doctors who accept Medicare insurance — and to do it well before reaching age 65. But that is not always easy, especially if you are looking for an internist, a primary care doctor who deals with adults. Of the 93 internists affiliated with New York-Presbyterian Hospital, for example, only 37 accept Medicare, according to the hospital’s Web site.

    Two trends are converging: there is a shortage of internists nationally — the American College of Physicians, the organization for internists, estimates that by 2025 there will be 35,000 to 45,000 fewer than the population needs — and internists are increasingly unwilling to accept new Medicare patients.

    In a June 2008 report, the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission, an independent federal panel that advises Congress on Medicare, said that 29 percent of the Medicare beneficiaries it surveyed who were looking for a primary care doctor had a problem finding one to treat them, up from 24 percent the year before. And a 2008 survey by the Texas Medical Association found that while 58 percent of the state’s doctors took new Medicare patients, only 38 percent of primary care doctors did.
    it is what it is

    we're all happy for harry and margaret, tho

    some more pleasure reading:

    Doctors refuse Medicare patients - CBS 19 - The Eye of East Texas News - 

    USATODAY.com - Rejections rise for Medicare patients

    Primary-Care Doctor Shortage May Undermine Health Reform Efforts - washingtonpost.com

    Canada's Doctor Shortage Worsening - The Canadian Encyclopedia

    Wait Time & Delayed Care: Doctor Shortage

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    What we have is a bill that took bribes, lies, parliamentary tricks, and passage without even being read... even after MA voted Brown in to send a message to the Dems.

    Milton Friedman called the pre-ObamaKare healthcare system Communist in nature, but ObamaKare doesn't rise to the level of socialist?


    And what compromise? ROTFLOL...


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    Lord, you guys do sucker easliy for hyperbole. There's no socialism let alone communism here.

    But once you accept the republican plan of mandating health care over a public option, you had to deal with the insurance companies. You can't do away with pre-existing condition, cover all children without either the government providing a plan or mandating insurance. The public has a real disconnect here.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Lord, you guys do sucker easliy for hyperbole. There's no socialism let alone communism here.

    But once you accept the republican plan of mandating health care over a public option, you had to deal with the insurance companies. You can't do away with pre-existing condition, cover all children without either the government providing a plan or mandating insurance. The public has a real disconnect here.
    Well that's the understatement of the century...

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    Health insurance mandate began as a Republican idea

    Health insurance mandate began as a Republican idea - The Boston Globe

    Republicans Hatched Idea for Obama's Health Insurance Mandate

    Republicans Hatched Idea for Obama's Health Insurance Mandate - FoxNews.com

    Individual health insurance mandate started as a Republican idea

    Individual health insurance mandate started as a Republican idea - Business Breaking News - MiamiHerald.com

    Republicans Spurn Once-Favored Health Mandate

    Republicans Spurn Once-Favored Health Mandate : NPR

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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