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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

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    I do the same thing and this is EXACTLY why Americans are unhealthier than people of other developed countries. Preventative care is vital for long life and health. We all should be seeing doctors regularly but many of us don't because it is too expensive. Sure, the co-pays aren't bad if you've got a decent plan but the only time you walk out of a doctor's office with just paying the co-pay is if nothing is wrong. If there is any chance of anything being wrong you need test done and those are very expensive. Middle class America (which is the large majority of Americans) can't afford the type of health care the Saudi royalty come over here to get but we also make too much money to qualify for Medicaid. I have a serious heart condition called cardiomyopathy. When I first got diagnosed with it several years back, many test were run and at the time I was in college so my sh***y college health insurance only paid for some of it and I was put thousands of dollars in debt which I'm still paying off. The last 6-12 months I've been having chest pains again but I'm not going to a doctor because I can't afford all of those test. I'm only working part time right now because I'm working on a masters degree right now and my wife is an independent contractor (and has lost 50% of her clients since the recession) so I'm paying for a health insurance plan out of my own pocket which has high deductibles and still only pays for a certain percentage of charges when that deductible has been reached. It is the only plan we can afford at the time, and yet, we make to much money to qualify for Medicaid.

    Making points for or against Obamacare as a solution to our current health care problems is understandable. But trying to make an argument that the American health care system is efficient in providing affordable health care for working class Americans simply because rich people from other countries come to America to get treatment, is delusional.
    That is why insurance companies are doing things to correct it. Obama is just causing problems

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I'm just tired of having to rely on the middle-men for info on the tax-cuts. . .everything I've read on how they will affect things and who is touched by them is heavily opinionated.

    I'd like an unbiased purely informational source - and have yet to find one. Which is typical of partisan-politic issue.
    You mean like the democrats claiming Bush tax cuts were only for the rich yet now they are talking about middle class tax cuts. Shows how the democrats lied and what hypocrites they are

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You mean like the democrats claiming Bush tax cuts were only for the rich yet now they are talking about middle class tax cuts. Shows how the democrats lied and what hypocrites they are
    Have an unbiased source for that?

    My problem is that I can real the regulations, legislations and laws - but making sense out of tax-related things isn't quite the easiest or me.
    And when it comes to tax legislation there's often a game of chance on the table.
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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Have an unbiased source for that?

    My problem is that I can real the regulations, legislations and laws - but making sense out of tax-related things isn't quite the easiest or me.
    And when it comes to tax legislation there's often a game of chance on the table.
    Source for what? For all the Bush years thats all we heard was Bush tax cuts were for the rich.

    Dems, GOP give tax cuts political twist / Both sides spin issue in effort to gain edge in election year - SFGate

    Children, widows, the elderly, farmers, veterans, students, working mothers -- every vulnerable group short of puppies -- is to be sacrificed at the altar of the Bush tax cuts that benefit America's richest citizens, Democrats claim.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Have an unbiased source for that?

    My problem is that I can real the regulations, legislations and laws - but making sense out of tax-related things isn't quite the easiest or me.
    And when it comes to tax legislation there's often a game of chance on the table.
    No sources. but for years all I heard from the Dems was how the Bush tax cuts only benefited the rich. Then when they were due to expire, all of a sudden they changed their tune and wanted to keep the tax cuts for the middle class.
    I remember thinking (sarcastically) gee.....I thought Bush only cared about the rich.
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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Well that demonstrates my point exactly.

    Everything we hear we're suppose to take from a variety of sources with no means of actualy being able to back it up.

    I've read the various legislations in question - and none of it makes sense to me - I have to concede to those who know more than I do but how to tell if their info is actually accurate?
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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well that demonstrates my point exactly.

    Everything we hear we're suppose to take from a variety of sources with no means of actualy being able to back it up.

    I've read the various legislations in question - and none of it makes sense to me - I have to concede to those who know more than I do but how to tell if their info is actually accurate?
    I posted a link that shows the democrats used the rhetoric to campaign

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Obamacare will increase the cost so we will be even worse off
    Depends on what you call worse. Cost is but half the equation. Paying more for more is better than paying more for less, which is where we are now. Though, before all is said and done, this may not actually cost more. We'll have to see what goes on from here.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    That is why insurance companies are doing things to correct it. Obama is just causing problems
    That is honestly the worst rebuttal to an argument I've ever heard. That might convince one of your children, but on a debate politics forum you're going to have to actual provide an educated rebuttal with some sources. Please list exactly what insurance companies are doing to "correct it", explain why a business would do anything that doesn't profit the company monetarily, and why their measures to correct the problem would be more effective than "Obamacare" in getting health care for children with preexisting conditions, making sure patience with terminal illnesses such as cancer can't get dropped from their plans.

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    Re: Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    It appears Obama is not willing to compromise. Yet he expects others to

    Obama's Democrats in disarray over expiring tax cuts | Reuters

    With time running out and high political and economic stakes, Obama is pushing Democratic leaders to determine if they can win an acceptable extension of the cuts, which he could sign into law.

    Resurgent Republicans are demanding that all the tax cuts be renewed, including those for wealthier Americans -- individuals making more than $200,000 and families above$250,000.

    Obama favors renewing the tax cuts only for those at or below those level, saying the nation cannot afford to renew them for wealthier Americans.
    wasn't this supposed to be one of the items that the Oh So Brilliant One The Smartest President Ever was going to use to split the Republicans?

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