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    2,000 fetuses found at Thai Buddhist temple

    2,000 fetuses found at Thai Buddhist temple - Yahoo! Canada News

    During an initial investigation at the temple in Bangkok on Tuesday, police discovered piles of plastic bags containing more than 300 fetuses. Police Lt. Col. Kanathud Musiganont said workers pulled more bodies from the temple's morgue Friday. More than 2,000 have been unearthed from vaults where bodies are traditionally interred pending cremation, which under some circumstances can take place years after death.

    Abortion is illegal in Thailand except under three conditions — if a woman is raped, if the pregnancy affects her health or if the fetus is abnormal.

    Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said Friday that more must be done to prevent illegal abortions but that his government would not revise the abortion-related laws. He said his government has discussed the matter and believed that "the existing laws are appropriate and flexible enough."

    Several people have already been arrested in the case: two undertakers for hiding bodies to conceal the cause of death and an abortion clinic employee on charges of operating an unlicensed medical clinic and performing abortions. The undertakers could each be sent to prison for up to one year and fined 2,000 baht ($67). The clinic employee — who police said confessed she had delivered the fetuses to the morgue workers starting early this year — could face up to five years in jail and a fine of 10,000 baht ($333).
    This is sad. It's why I oppose overturning RoeVWade. Once the rabidly pro-life states decide to make it illegal, people will run the incredible risk of getting illegal abortions. What is worse is that we have politicians who want to ban abortion even when a woman has been raped. The simplest solution is to leave it as it is.
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    Re: 2,000 fetuses found at Thai Buddhist temple

    Overturning Roe v. Wade would pretty much just force abortion underground.

    If you want to decrease abortions in this country, then you need to fight poverty. Poverty is one of the strongest correlated factors to abortions so fighting the former is key to fighting the latter. And no, that is not to say that only poor people get abortions, but people in poverty are by far the most likely to get abortions.

    As far as Thailand, they have enough trouble policing sex trafficking, I'm surprised they have the resources to even investigate abortion cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Overturning Roe v. Wade would pretty much just force abortion underground.

    If you want to decrease abortions in this country, then you need to fight poverty. Poverty is one of the strongest correlated factors to abortions so fighting the former is key to fighting the latter. And no, that is not to say that only poor people get abortions, but people in poverty are by far the most likely to get abortions.

    As far as Thailand, they have enough trouble policing sex trafficking, I'm surprised they have the resources to even investigate abortion cases.
    The problem is that most people simply don't see the root causes of abortion. They think people who get abortion are simply trying to avoid responsibility. To an extent that is true but let's just say for one second that all of these people 'assumed responsibility' and a baby was born 9 months later. Then what? The overwhelming majority of women who get abortions live in poverty. That extra mouth to feed would mean A) an extra mouth for the government to feed or B) an extra mouth that would go hungry. What happens then is that a sizable percentage of the pro-life groups are also small government conservatives. So you have a group who is A) advocating for forcing the poorest percentage of America to reproduce and B) advocating so that the very social programs they rely on are also cut. Add to that the fact that even if the economy was in full boom there simply wouldn't be enough jobs to support an extra 20-30 million individuals and its a socioeconomic dichotomy if I've ever seen one.
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    Re: 2,000 fetuses found at Thai Buddhist temple

    Wow....people have no idea how to properly dispose of evidence.

    BTW, R v W is not going to be overturned; nor shall we see a Constitutional Amendment allowing government control over abortion. Thus I don't abortion becoming illegal is a real concern in this country.
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    So it's ok to kill the unborn? The temple should be patrolled and women found disposing of their children be tried for murder. Roe V Wade should be overturned and laws set in place to protect the rights of the unborn. These women in Thailand deserve harsh sentences and should be ashamed of themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    So it's ok to kill the unborn? The temple should be patrolled and women found disposing of their children be tried for murder. Roe V Wade should be overturned and laws set in place to protect the rights of the unborn. These women in Thailand deserve harsh sentences and should be ashamed of themselves.
    ... Let this post explain why 2,000 fetuses were found in a temple.
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    Re: 2,000 fetuses found at Thai Buddhist temple

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    So it's ok to kill the unborn? The temple should be patrolled and women found disposing of their children be tried for murder. Roe V Wade should be overturned and laws set in place to protect the rights of the unborn. These women in Thailand deserve harsh sentences and should be ashamed of themselves.
    Sums up why this is happening

    Edit: Dammit Hatuey got there first


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    Re: 2,000 fetuses found at Thai Buddhist temple

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ... Let this post explain why 2,000 fetuses were found in a temple.
    Because these women wanted to murder there children? I'm sure there are over 2,000 murder victims in graves...

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Sums up why this is happening
    It shouldn't be happening. And these places should be patrolled. If a woman is going to be so wicked as to kill her unborn, she deserves jail and to be tried for murder. And legalizing abortion in Thailand would make this any better how?
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    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Because these women wanted to murder there children? I'm sure there are over 2,000 murder victims in graves...

    It shouldn't be happening. And these places should be patrolled. If a woman is going to be so wicked as to kill her unborn, she deserves jail and to be tried for murder. And legalizing abortion in Thailand would make this any better how?
    Your religious beliefs make you believe that this is murder. However those of us who are not of your faith or of any faith, do not believe it is. The reason this happened is because people like you decided they could impose their religious beliefs on others and force them to act in ways they thought to be moral. However when one tries to regulate morality, the only sure thing is that the nature of the human being will force it to rebel. It's happened every single time. It has happened in Athens, in Rome, in imperial China, in Puritan America, in the Soviet Union and it will happen again everywhere a cult imposes its beliefs on others. When one takes their ideological beliefs to be the law of the land and imposes it on others, others rebel. So quit the hyperbole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Your religious beliefs make you believe that this is murder. However those of us who are not of your faith or of any faith, do not believe it is. The reason this happened is because people like you decided they could impose their religious beliefs on others and force them to act in ways they thought to be moral. However when one tries to regulate morality, the only sure thing is that the nature of the human being will force it to rebel. It's happened every single time. It has happened in Athens, in Rome, in imperial China, in Puritan America, in the Soviet Union and it will happen again everywhere a person imposes their beliefs on others. When one takes their ideological beliefs to be the law of the land, it ends up having the opposite effect. So quit the hyperbole.
    And people like you want to impose your belief that a fetus has no right to life upon the unborn, causing them to forfeit every right and liberty they have as humans. You impose upon all of society the legal injustice of killing the unborn because they aren't "persons" or protected life in your opinion. You accuse me of wanting to enforce my religious beliefs on others, yet you do the same. The difference is your beliefs are secular. We regulate morality all the time. You can't kill your mother because the law says it's immoral and murder. You can't rape someone because forced sex without consent is considered legally immoral. I support the right to legally protect and recognize the life of all unborn humans and that no woman has the right to end that life for non-medically necessary reasons. You impose your beliefs on others as well, all laws do in a way.
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