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House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

If you ran a business then you know that payroll is the highest expense of running that business. Noticed you didn't address the questions I raised.

I no longer run a business. I do know quite well what it means to invest your own money, your own time and your own labor in a business. i know what it means to put your name on a loan agreement putting up everything you own and ever hope to own because you believe in yourself and your business plan. And i know that every business always has had changing problems, changing situations and nothing about tomorrow is promised to anyone. And I knew that when I had my business and did well with it and accepted it and did not use it as an excuse not to succeed.
 
I no longer run a business. I do know quite well what it means to invest your own money, your own time and your own labor in a business. i know what it means to put your name on a loan agreement putting up everything you own and ever hope to own because you believe in yourself and your business plan. And i know that every business always has had changing problems, changing situations and nothing about tomorrow is promised to anyone. And I knew that when I had my business and did well with it and accepted it and did not use it as an excuse not to succeed.

Great, now how about answering the questions I raised?
 
please restate them as i thought my posts covered it in stating that nobody knows the future
 
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please restate them as i thought my posts covered it in stating that nobody knows the future

I have run a business and can tell you that employees costs are the highest operating expenses of any business. What is Obamacare going to cost a small business for each employee? What is that small business' tax rates going to be next year? would you hire an employee with those uncertainties?
 
What is Obamacare going to cost a small business for each employee?

I thought I explained that I am NO LONGER in business and as such do not have the facts on this to provide to you. And as I also thought I explained, no business person could ever predict the future and know all that was in front of them. The details change but the reality is still the same.






What is that small business' tax rates going to be next year?
What does the tax laws say it will be next year? that is the reality i would deal with.

Would you hire an employee with those uncertainties?
Absolutely if I believed I needed them to make money.
 
I thought I explained that I am NO LONGER in business and as such do not have the facts on this to provide to you. And as I also thought I explained, no business person could ever predict the future and know all that was in front of them. The details change but the reality is still the same.







What does the tax laws say it will be next year? that is the reality i would deal with.

Absolutely if I believed I needed them to make money.


The realities are indeed what liberals want to ignore, businesses are not going to hire anyone as the uncertainty as to costs are hanging over business heads. Small businesses hire most of the employees in this country and those are the people who don't know what their tax burden or healthcare costs are going to be. Obama policies have added 4 million more to the unemployment roles since the stimulus has been passed and each month of 2010 the unemployment was higher than it was during last year when the recession ended, June 2009.
 
I have run a business and can tell you that employees costs are the highest operating expenses of any business. What is Obamacare going to cost a small business for each employee? What is that small business' tax rates going to be next year? would you hire an employee with those uncertainties?

I've never run a business, but I was gearing up to start one a few years ago. After reviewing the cost analysis data, my wife and I decided to forego the venture. Still, we took the advise from the SBA and incorporated our city, state and federal tax structure into our business finances. To that, if a business no matter how small doesn't do this coming into the next tax year, they're shooting themselves in the foot and likely shouldn't be in business. I mean, who runs a business and does not project what their tax level will be? It's absord!

As for health care cost, can't help you there. Each business will just have to evaluate the taxes/penalties according to his own employee/financial situation. But considering that none of the business taxes will take effect until 2014, I'd say this is just an excuse Republicans are using to draw attention to themselves. Now, if and when the new health care taxes are in effect and I'm still struggling financially at that time, I likely would not hire new employees on a full-time basis. But once things changed and I could see the potential for increased profitability on the horizon, then yes, I'd hire people. Sure!

It's a matter of a business having its ducks in a row to start with that matters. Obviously, many businesses that aren't hiring are holding off either because they were directly affected by the financial sector or they've sufferred from the trickle down effect of the economy, i.e., if a delivery company has no drivers, neither my parts or supplies or merchandise will be moved which hurts my bottom line. But it's not fair to say what's happening in the economy as far as business dealings are concerned is a direct result of the health care law or even financial regulatory reform. The latter I could somewhat understand for those on Wall Street or big commercial banks and mortgage lending companies; but for some small circuit board producing company...extremely doubtful their problems can be directed attributed in that way.
 
The realities are indeed what liberals want to ignore, businesses are not going to hire anyone as the uncertainty as to costs are hanging over business heads. Small businesses hire most of the employees in this country and those are the people who don't know what their tax burden or healthcare costs are going to be. Obama policies have added 4 million more to the unemployment roles since the stimulus has been passed and each month of 2010 the unemployment was higher than it was during last year when the recession ended, June 2009.

Rationalizations and excuses are what losers give while winners deal with whatever comes down the pike and finds a way to triumph over it.
Business is no different. The smart business person knows this and is taking advantage of it as we speak.
 
Rationalizations and excuses are what losers give while winners deal with whatever comes down the pike and finds a way to triumph over it.
Business is no different. The smart business person knows this and is taking advantage of it as we speak.

Explain what the cost is going to be for Obamacare and the tax code for small business in 2011. Keep dodging that issue because small business doesn't know and right now there are 16 million unemployed Americans to compound that problem. Why would anyone add costs to their business with these uncertainties?
 
Explain what the cost is going to be for Obamacare and the tax code for small business in 2011.

As I am not currently operating a small business why would I have intimate knowledge of this question? You might as well ask me about nuclear physics. Simply because I do not know the answer proves nothing.

Why would anyone add costs to their business with these uncertainties?

Because they are smart and believe they can make money. Nothing has changed about that in hundreds of years.
 
and you are honest about it as opposed to some, for example, who pretend to be libertarians:mrgreen:

Yeah and you guys support President Bush and his deficit spending. Unilke any Conservative I know.
 
As I am not currently operating a small business why would I have intimate knowledge of this question? You might as well ask me about nuclear physics. Simply because I do not know the answer proves nothing.



Because they are smart and believe they can make money. Nothing has changed about that in hundreds of years.


I am sure you are smart enough to figure out why small businesses aren't hiring and it all has to do with costs.
 
Yeah and you guys support President Bush and his deficit spending. Unilke any Conservative I know.

Bush has been out of office for 2 years now and Obama has put Bush spending on steroids. You seem to lack the basic understanding of the fact that no President can spend a dime without Congressional approval and over 5 trillion has been added to the debt in the last 4 years, all under the Democrat controlled Congress. think about it?
 
Bush has been out of office for 2 years now and Obama has put Bush spending on steroids. You seem to lack the basic understanding of the fact that no President can spend a dime without Congressional approval and over 5 trillion has been added to the debt in the last 4 years, all under the Democrat controlled Congress. think about it?

Again the deflection of the facts. You support deficit spending Mr Conservative.
 
You know the funny thing about all this doom and gloom from you? When I had my business it went through a recession and i still made money. In fact, when people like you were making excuses and attacking others with blame and pointed fingers, I still made money. In fact, in those days i did not know a recession from recess on the playground. Life was life and I was living it as best i could. Smart people can always make money even in the worst of times. Losers whine and cry and make excuses. These days it seems that some of it is wrapped in rightwing ideology but excuses they are just the same. Its really hypocritical that right wingers blame poor people for not being able to get jobs but then rationalize small businesses who won't hire or create jobs. I guess its all a matter of whose ox is being gored.
 
I am sure you are smart enough to figure out why small businesses aren't hiring and it all has to do with costs.

Because when President Bush destroyed the economy it scared the CR@P out of small busnisess. . . . Like mine.
 
Again the deflection of the facts. You support deficit spending Mr Conservative.

Only during times of war or national disasters, how do you think 9/11 was paid for? How about Katrina? How much of the Obama debt was spent on those items?
 
this is truth the dems suck! the republicans are not much better but at least they have balls
 
So you think the 70 billion that liberals claim it will generate will actually happen and if it does it will be used to pay down the deficit? 70 billion dollars out of 1.3 trillion deficit?

a few quick corrections:

1. it is 700 Billion dollars, not 70
2. the projected deficits over the next ten years are (assuming everything goes well) around or a little in excess of $ 9 Trillion
3. studies tend to demonstrate that for every dollar in increased tax revenue, spending goes up a little over a dollar. so your basic point (that this will not reduce the deficit) is correct.

everyone else, repeat this until it sticks: deficits are spending driven, not revenue driven.
 
Only during times of war or national disasters, how do you think 9/11 was paid for? How about Katrina? How much of the Obama debt was spent on those items?

No problem. He doubles the national debt and your ok with that. Just like REPUBLICANS do. Not conservatives.
 
a few quick corrections:

1. it is 700 Billion dollars, not 70
2. the projected deficits over the next ten years are (assuming everything goes well) around or a little in excess of $ 9 Trillion
3. studies tend to demonstrate that for every dollar in increased tax revenue, spending goes up a little over a dollar. so your basic point (that this will not reduce the deficit) is correct.

everyone else, repeat this until it sticks: deficits are spending driven, not revenue driven.

Thought some will buy the Obama rhetoric, the 700 billion is over 10 years and is a projection. If those projections are right that is 70 billion a year and the last Obama deficit was 1.3 trillion

9 trillion added to the debt in 10 years which puts our debt at 23 trillion on a 15 trillion dollar economy. That is bankruptcy.

Seems to me that liberals and others have a different understanding as to the role of the govt.
 
No problem. He doubles the national debt and your ok with that. Just like REPUBLICANS do. Not conservatives.

Yes and he lost support because of it, so what has Obama done, put that spending on steroids. he has added 3 trillion in 2 years aand is on track to exceed the Bush 8 year debt in 4.
 
Yes and he lost support because of it, so what has Obama done, put that spending on steroids. he has added 3 trillion in 2 years aand is on track to exceed the Bush 8 year debt in 4.

So your only defence is that as bad a President Bush is President Obama is worse.
 
You know the funny thing about all this doom and gloom from you? When I had my business it went through a recession and i still made money. In fact, when people like you were making excuses and attacking others with blame and pointed fingers, I still made money. In fact, in those days i did not know a recession from recess on the playground. Life was life and I was living it as best i could. Smart people can always make money even in the worst of times. Losers whine and cry and make excuses. These days it seems that some of it is wrapped in rightwing ideology but excuses they are just the same. Its really hypocritical that right wingers blame poor people for not being able to get jobs but then rationalize small businesses who won't hire or create jobs. I guess its all a matter of whose ox is being gored.

LOL, I ran a 200 million dollar a year business and employed over a thousand employees. I made money by growing my business and managing my expenses. Every dollar I was able to cut in expenses put one dollar onto the bottomline and every dollar added to revenue was 30 cents to the bottomline. The highest expense I had was payroll so competition forced me to manage that payroll so I did more with less and that is what smart business people do.
 
So your only defence is that as bad a President Bush is President Obama is worse.

Bush believed in the private sector, Obama believes in the public sector. Our economy was built on the private sector and that is what made Bush better along with the results.Suggest you do a little research. YOu are going to find that Obama and the media has lied to you.

BLS link, create own chart
Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National)

BEA links GDP and Receipts/Expense
U.S. Department of Commerce. Bureau of Economic Analysis

U.S. Treasury
Current Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service
 
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