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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Harshaw - its hopeless to try to discuss anything reasonable with you because you and I do not live in the same reality. I accept that the current discussion around the expiring tax cuts and possible extension of some of them is called BY BOTH SIDES "tax cuts". Both Republicans and Democrats in both the House and the Senate as well as the Obama administration as well as many talking heads on TV including FOX and MSNBC all use the same terminology. And the terminology being used by all is "tax cuts".

    I compared this to the use of the term "Tea Party" by people here, people on other sites, writers and broadcasters in the media and just about everywhere. There is no Tea Party. It does not exist. I would love to see one come into being and get on the ballot and campaign for office but it has not happened yet. But that does not stop the widespread use of a term that is inaccurate.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

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    You are welcome. I have learned that they are some people that you simply cannot convince that they are not an island unto themselves.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Zyphlin - certainly you do understand [Zyph, this means there is no disputing the point I'm about to make, so nod your head in obedience] that the type of GOP press release you are pointing to does not reach the vast majority of actual voters and is only intended for the washington talkign heads and politico types like us here? That Pledge is irrelevant at best. [This silly pledge was just for show, and the rightwing bumpkins are either too stupid or too far out in fly-over country to get it]

    The polls have said that the election was a repudiation of Democrats and Obama. I suspect that is because the GOP did a wonderful job of putting an evil Halloween costume [The GOP is so ****ing smart that they controlled every poll outcome] on both and selling that idea to their core base while much of the Obama base stayed home.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Harshaw - what you are doing is using highly discriminatory and employs selective outrage directed at me and my 'intellectual dishonestly' in using a phrase like "taxcuts" and "raisingtaxes" in reference to the current debate about the expiration of the Bush cuts. You pick at me because I am the enemy to you. You pick at me because you believe i am the enemy of your ideology. You pick at me because I do not worship before the same altar that you do. Its all selective and your attempt to simply pick a fight with me because I am the new enemy.

    Lots of folks here have used the phrases. The mainstream media uses them everyday and has been for weeks now. Even your beloved FOX uses them. Republicans in Congress use them when discussing the issue. Democrats in Congress use them when discussing the issue. The White House and the President use them when discussing the issue.

    But you pick a fight with me over it.

    I explained to you that this is much like the often used term DEREGULATION. It has become a shorthand way of describing the decrease in government regulation is some industries. We all are well aware that regulation still exists and deregulation - strictly speaking - has not happened. But the term is there and means what it means.

    I really do not care what you call it. Just criticize your fellow members when they misuse the term. Just criticize FOX when they misuse the term. Just criticize the Republicans when they misuse the term.

    This is not about me. No matter how much you want to make it so.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    When in trouble always bring out the classwarfare card and "republicans want to starve kids, kill seniors, and pollute the air" rhetoric. Now add to that Republicans want to kick the unemployed into the curb. How long do today's unemployed get unemployment benefits? doubt that many here who support extension even care that it is two years.
    Class warfare indeed. Let's cut off the downtrodden so we can give tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Generally speaking, I think it can probably be proven that the longer the benefits last, the longer the beneficiaries take to find gainful employment. I would bet a dollar to a donut that if the teat went dry the unemployment percentages would drop.

    I know that I was reading something a while back about how one country, I'm wanting to say Norway, cut unemployment extensions and people went back to work much faster than they did when they had years and years of unemployment benefits. I'll try to find that link.

    One thing for sure, it's just human nature to try and ride the cash cow when/if you can. A poor guy working all week just to bring home 500.00 bucks probably wouldn't mind taking a two year vacation, making only 150.00 bucks a week less than he would make busting his ass. Got no link for that but it's just common sense to me. I don't need a link to tell me it's raining outside.

    I'm all for helping out a man down on his luck. But this is just freakin' rediculous.
    Here's one cap. It's Denmark. It shows that people tend to find work right before their benefits run out.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Unemployment benefits have been shown to be far more stimulative to the economy than tax cuts for the middle class or wealthy because the money is spent right away as opposed to saved. Currently our economy is sputtering for lack of demand (consumption), not supply, so unemployment benefits assist in just the right way.

    For many unemployed people, they live in regions of the country where there are simply no jobs to be had at this time. It seems reasonable to me to extend the benefits when the economy is so poor.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Class warfare indeed. Let's cut off the downtrodden so we can give tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires.
    So let's see if I have this right,, you believe the govt. has the right to what someone else earns so they can decide how to spend it? Why such disdain for people that have more than you? Any idea how much those "evil" rich people give to charity when they get to keep more of what they earn? Instead you seem to prefer the govt. deciding how to spend someone else's money and thus promote the waste, fraud, and abuse that goes with it.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Unemployment benefits have been shown to be far more stimulative to the economy than tax cuts for the middle class or wealthy because the money is spent right away as opposed to saved. Currently our economy is sputtering for lack of demand (consumption), not supply, so unemployment benefits assist in just the right way.

    For many unemployed people, they live in regions of the country where there are simply no jobs to be had at this time. It seems reasonable to me to extend the benefits when the economy is so poor.
    There you go again promoting the liberal agenda and buying the rhetoric. How do you know what the rich do with THEIR money and why does it matter? Why do you buy the Govt. rhetoric that people don't spend their money right and only a Federal Bureaucrat knows what is best?

    Think there would be more jobs in California if businesses would just stop moving out of California? Why do you think that is happening?

    Since the recession ended in June 2009 how long are you going to continue to buy the Obama rhetoric that it is someone else's fault. His Administration doesn't have a clue.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So let's see if I have this right,, you believe the govt. has the right to what someone else earns so they can decide how to spend it? Why such disdain for people that have more than you? Any idea how much those "evil" rich people give to charity when they get to keep more of what they earn? Instead you seem to prefer the govt. deciding how to spend someone else's money and thus promote the waste, fraud, and abuse that goes with it.
    Did I say I had any disdain for those that have more than me? No, I didn't.

    Yes, the govt. does have the right to tax its citizens.

    So let's see if I have this right,, you want to overthrow the govt. because you do not promote the waste, fraud, and abuse that goes with it?
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