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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Generally we await the end of the game before pronouncing the final score.

    The prejudices of those on the right who have announced their intent with Obama from Day One has been long established and unmistakable.
    So it is prejudice to report the Obama results, 4 million added to the unemployment roles and 3 trillion added to the debt? The thread topic is about unemployment benefits and you failed to answer the question posed, how long should anyone be granted taxpayer assistance for being unemployed? Isn't two years enough? If not how long?

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Alright. Here you go. Evidence that the general platform of the Republicans running for congress included not allowing taxes to raise from what they CURRENTLY are for all:

    You have the Pledge to America, which was a GOP put out document detailing the parties platform for the 2010 election. Included in it:

    "Permanently Stop All Job-Killing
    Tax Hikes

    We will help the economy by permanently
    stopping all tax increases, currently
    scheduled to take effect January 1, 2011.
    That means protecting middle-class
    families, seniors worried about their
    retirement, and the entrepreneurs and
    family-owned small businesses on which
    we depend to create jobs in America."
    Underlined word is my emphasis. As shown, they were against the tax rate increase for ALL citizens that would be coming with the Bush Tax Cuts expiring. LINK

    You also have the Contract From America which over 250 individual candidates running for office signed onto. That states:

    Stop the Tax Hikes: Permanently repeal all tax hikes, including those to the income, capital gains and death taxes, currently scheduled to begin in 2011. (53.38 percent)
    Again, the underlining is my emphasis. Once more we see the stated objective clearly being to stop the Bush Tax Cuts from expiring for EVERYONE. LINK

    I'm pretty sure "all" includes even the "top 2%".

    So how about proof that their agenda was against wasteful spending and entitlements:

    From the Pledge's introduction summary

    If we’ve learned anything over the last two
    years, it’s that we cannot spend our way to
    prosperity. We offer a plan to stop out-ofcontrol
    spending and reduce the size of
    government.
    One of its chapters is "Stop out of control spending and reduce the size of government" which includes the provision to start cutting spending immedietely. Its clear from the Pledge that reducing spending and reducing the size of government, which would include welfare type things such as jobless benefits, was something that was part of the platform.

    Shall we look back at the Contract? It had ideals such as demanding a balanced budget, restoring fiscal responsability and constitutionally limited government, and ending excessive government spending. All of this as they further explain them touches on things like entitlements, government provided welfare, etc.

    So the notion that not allowing the tax rates to raise for ANY americans and that spending and government assistance would be reigned back was not part of the platform majorly heralded by the majority of Republicans in 2010 is ridiculous.

    As far as voter attitude? Ballot initiatives that either reduced the size of government or lowered taxes won more than 50% of the time this election Link.

    Forty-six percent of Republicans said the issue positions were the most important reason they voted for their candidate, which would suggest reasonably "issues" being their platform they campaigned on. 40% of indepdent voters also voted as issues being their most important requirement.

    But here's the meat. With regards to Indepdents and Republicans, a majority of them wanted to extend the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for EVERYONE. Independents felt that way 51 to 40 with Republicans 74 to 21. Overall, including Democrats, extending it all still won 49 to 45.

    In regards to the general mentality of voters as well, which would lead you to believe what issues they most likely were supporting of, the Tea Party movement was as popular as the Democratic Party overall to voters (both lagging a bit behind the Republican Party). Additionally it was more popular than EITHER political party for Independents, being so by almost 15 percentage points over the Democrats.

    People in general had a 18 point more trust about the Republicans plan and ability to cut government spending. That number was even higher, at 27 points, amongst indepdents. Same goes with regards to the federal budget, with a 17 overall margin and a 36 point margin amongst indepdents. How about who they trust more with regards to doing right by taxes? 16 point margin for Republicans, 31 poitns when asked just of indpendents.

    64% of Republicans feel that their party needs to be adamant about their core principles rather than moving to the center. 40% of independents feel the same way.

    This information can be found from in a joint bipartisan effort report between Democracy Corps and Resurgent Republic LINK.

    So, there. You have your evidence. Please provide your own evidence now that the Republican Agenda was "I hate Obama", that voters didn't know that Republicans were infavor of keeping the tax rates as they are for EVERYONE, and that voters were untrusting or against the notion of Republicans reducing spending.

    I'm eagerly awaiting your post.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

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    Sorry but the current rates have already been raised in the original Bush plan which was adopted by Congress and will soon go into effect.
    Uh, no.

    The tax cuts were set to expire, which is not the same thing as "raising" them, and it's exceptionally dishonest to say so.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    "Permanently Stop All Job-Killing
    Tax Hikes
    We will help the economy by permanently
    stopping all tax increases, currently
    scheduled to take effect January 1, 2011.
    That means protecting middle-class
    families, seniors worried about their
    retirement, and the entrepreneurs and
    family-owned small businesses on which
    we depend to create jobs in America."
    That's just, "code", for, "we hate Obama becuse he's black". Don't you know that?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's just, "code", for, "we hate Obama becuse he's black". Don't you know that?
    That liberal argument is getting old, results matter not race and the results are what the November 2 elections were all about. The American people are sick of the race baiting and shirking of responsibility by Obama and all liberals.

    Obama supporters that have nothing to run on always divert to race when they don't have anything they can defend.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Any team that is losing at half-time and doesn't change it's game, will lose. I don't see Obama changing his game.

    This clown insists that the American people aren't opposed to his policies and the real problem is that we just don't understand him.

    I mean, we're talking about an administration that wants to strip search nuns, but is considering exempting Muslim women from any searches, at all. It's a ****ing joke!
    Winning or losing has nothing to do with a historical expert evaluation as to the standing of Barack Obama as one of the best or worst presidents of all time as you claimed he was.

    I have seen hundreds of games where the team was losing at half time and came back and simply played their game and won. You should read any of John Woodens books or by any of his players. Bill Walton is famous for saying UCLA never changed either their preparation for a game or their strategy within a game for an opponent. They simply played every game the same way with the same strategy and it was up to the opponent to beat them. I grant you that such a philosophy has fallen out of style with teams of coaches trying to justify their position and making adjustments almost on every play or series of plays. But it does not have to be that way.

    Now getting away from sports - I would agree that Obama needs to do some things differently although I strongly suspect you and I would be miles apart on what that would be.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That liberal argument is getting old, results matter not race and the results are what the November 2 elections were all about. The American people are sick of the race baiting and shirking of responsibility by Obama and all liberals.

    Obama supporters that have nothing to run on always divert to race when they don't have anything they can defend.
    Show me a single person who's been doing that?

    Seems when you have nothing to add, you start adding that Liberals add race when they don't so you can make them look bad.

    So basically you guys are the ones that add race.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Zyphlin - certainly you do understand that the type of GOP press release you are pointing to does not reach the vast majority of actual voters and is only intended for the washington talkign heads and politico types like us here? That Pledge is irrelevant at best.

    The polls have said that the election was a repudiation of Democrats and Obama. I suspect that is because the GOP did a wonderful job of putting an evil Halloween costume on both and selling that idea to their core base while much of the Obama base stayed home.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Show me a single person who's been doing that?

    Seems when you have nothing to add, you start adding that Liberals add race when they don't so you can make them look bad.

    So basically you guys are the ones that add race.
    Looks like and just confirms that you have selective reading skills. You don't think Obama supporters have been playing the race card?

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

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    Uh, no.

    The tax cuts were set to expire, which is not the same thing as "raising" them, and it's exceptionally dishonest to say so.
    Perhaps reprinting the rest of my post will offer a more complete explanation that the cherry picked line you selected.



    Sorry but the current rates have already been raised in the original Bush plan which was adopted by Congress and will soon go into effect.
    Sometimes, language is just what it is despite the desire to nitpick. I plead guilty myself. I absolutely loathe the term "Tea Party" because there is no Tea Party. There is a Republican Party. There is a Democratic Party. There is a Libertarian Party. There is a Socialist Party. But there is not a Tea Party. There is a tea party movement within the Republican Party. But I realize that I fight a losing battle in the larger world on this fine point and it does no good to keep harping on it. Although I must give proper kudos to the good Reverend here since I brought it up he has dropped the caps from the term in his usage. Bravo to him for that.

    The term "deregulation" is another such case in point. Very few industries have actually been deregulated to the point where there is no regulation at all and thus true to the term. But 'deregulation' has come to mean a decrease in regulation and the name has stuck and is with us no matter what a grammarian may think.

    I think you will just have to accept that 'tax cuts' mean cutting back on the scheduled raises that go into effect in 2011. Or you can get in line with me on my Tea Party crusade with one of your own.


    And one cannot help but notice that many GOP spokesperson have waxed for speech after speech about the tax cuts and have used those exact words. Perhaps they did not get the new talking points memo that seems to have circulated in right wing circles of late?
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