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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    He fails to mention one of the most salient facts, one that has been brought up in this very thread-- there are not enough jobs. There's a difference of ~10mil. There're about 10mil more people looking for work than there are jobs available for them.

    You can provide all the incentives you want for people to find work, but if there aren't jobs to be had, they cant get the jobs. Take a look at the Amazing Randy's $1mil prize for someone who can prove paranormal psychic abilities--plenty of incentive, yet the $1mil remains unclaimed.

    Personally, I find the premise that a significant fraction let alone a majority, most or all people who are out of work, many of whom have families and recurring bills, are content to settle for a fraction of their income. And FYI, to receive unemployment you have to be looking for a job.
    Absolutely....
    In the last 12 months we have stimulated the Logan, Utah economy a lot. Finished the basement which includes 2 baths, 2 bedrooms, family room, and kitchette. The construction folk are hungry and prices are low. The ones I talk to are just scraping by, as long as the wife still has a job. Others are not doing so well.
    A few of the local building supply companys have shut down. Lowes and Home Depot are holding up, but they are subsidized by share holders.
    Their isn't enough work...period.
    There is ONE category of worker that I have no sympathy for, the financial district. Many of them knew as it happened that there was rampant corruption going on. IMO, Obama ought to be offering cash rewards to employees who have evidence that can convict the dirt bags that scammed the public over the last decade or so...
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    As long as there is a need to shovel the snow, you keep shoveling. Or are you going to take the position that because the calendar says its the first day of Spring then you can ignore the 12 inches of snow that is paralyzing your town or city?

    Let's try it this way. Since you like metaphors, how about this one. If you have a leak in your water pipes, do you fix the leak, or just continue to bail water?

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Looks to me like it is Obama making it snow as he is hurting small businesses by forcing bigger govt. and the costs of that govt. on those businesses. No small business is going to hire people today because of the uncertainty as to what their costs are going to be to hire new employees.
    People come up with all sorts of rationalizations and excuses for doing what they otherwise would not do. If a small business person can make money by hiring more employees to proved more products or services, they will do so if their goal is to make more money. I do not think that is a new concept or anything radical or revolutionary.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Let's try it this way. Since you like metaphors, how about this one. If you have a leak in your water pipes, do you fix the leak, or just continue to bail water?

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    YES, by all means lets fix it. And keep bailing also in the meantime. Both are prudent.
    I do suspect j-mac that you and I differ strongly about what constitutes that fix.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    92% of the people in TX are working leaving 8% unemployed and it is a shame that other state legislatures are too arrogant to find out what works in TX and steal it for their states. In the meantime we still accept businesses from all over the country moving to TX.
    Unemployment rates are not the whole picture. All states have some who are underemployed, or quit looking for work. But you knew that....
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    People come up with all sorts of rationalizations and excuses for doing what they otherwise would not do. If a small business person can make money by hiring more employees to proved more products or services, they will do so if their goal is to make more money. I do not think that is a new concept or anything radical or revolutionary.
    Did you ever own or run a business? I have and can tell you that employees costs are the highest operating expenses of any business. What is Obamacare going to cost a small business for each employee? What is that small business' tax rates going to be next year? would you hire an employee with those uncertainties?

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Did you ever own or run a business? I have and can tell you that employees costs are the highest operating expenses of any business. What is Obamacare going to cost a small business for each employee? What is that small business' tax rates going to be next year? would you hire an employee with those uncertainties?
    Yes I did and did rather well with it. I paid all my taxes, met all my bills and made a nice return on my investment and hard work. Beyond that, I will not give private information out here.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Unemployment rates are not the whole picture. All states have some who are underemployed, or quit looking for work. But you knew that....
    Yes, those are discouraged workers and you can add business owners that went out of business to that list as well along with contract employees that don't qualify for unemployment insurance. The real unemployment rate is closer to 17-18%. Unemployed and discouraged workers added together are higher each month of 2010 than they were in 2009. No Obama supporter addresses that fact.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yes I did and did rather well with it. I paid all my taxes, met all my bills and made a nice return on my investment and hard work. Beyond that, I will not give private information out here.
    If you ran a business then you know that payroll is the highest expense of running that business. Noticed you didn't address the questions I raised.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Let's try it this way. Since you like metaphors, how about this one. If you have a leak in your water pipes, do you fix the leak, or just continue to bail water?

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    how about neither? Isn't that what the govt has been doing for the last decade or so?
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