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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

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    House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits - Politics - Capitol Hill - msnbc.com

    okay, your thoughts.

    republicans are going to have tough pub with this one........deserved or undeserved.
    Yeah, those mean ole bastards.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Sorry, tax policies are no better than a tertiary consideration in a business investment decision..... If the demand is there, the investment is made. A slow economy means no demand. Capital sits on the sidelines as long as doubts about demand are high.

    I am a small business owner. I made a big bet in this economy solely on the perception that there is a demand for my service. Taxes are completely irrelevant at this stage of my investment.
    Depends on a company's overhead. My business has a very high overhead and taxes are huge consideration.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

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    yeah as long as one person needs something its wrong for the top 2% to have more money?

    where do you get the idea that existing within a certain distance of me justifies me having to pay for what you think you need?

    If someone is unemployed I don't have a duty to constantly fund his existence.
    Boy do you miss the point here. My post dealt with the public relations nightmare the GOP has advocating for two things that make them look like greedy misers wanting all they can get for themselves and their richer constituents while taking the axe to those actually in need. And the entire time they do this they are crying and whining about debts and deficits while their own willingness to help the richest would be the most costly item of these. Its pure hypocrisy.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Those evil republicans, how dare they force the democrats to think this issue is so important that they ignored it and ignored it and ignored it and ignored it until the point that it became a lame duck sessions and thus they had to use the fast track rules despite knowing that if it ever got to the point that it'd go to fast tracked rules it'd be voted down by republicans.

    Damn those evil Republicans for stopping such amazingly important and absolutely necessary legislation!

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And the entire time they do this they are crying and whining about debts and deficits while their own willingness to help the richest would be the most costly item of these.
    I know this might shock you, but the Republicans desire to keep the tax rates the same for EVERYONE, not just for certain classes of people, was well known during the elections. Not just well known, but part of the reason some people voted for them.

    The desire to limit and reduce the amount of entitlements given by the government was something that was well known during the election. Not just well known, but part of the reason some people voted for them.

    The desire to limit government spending in general was something that was well known during the election. Not just well known, but part of the reason some people voted for them.

    For your ridiculous hypothetical horrible PR blunder to happen it either requires that people who voted republican this election were somehow COMPLETELY ignorant of what the Republicans were stating OR believed in it only if it wasn't touching them. While perhaps there are some that fall into both categories, my wager would be that the number is less than those that have no issue with those things nor think them hypocritical.

    OH MY GOD! THE SKY IS FALLING! Republicans are doing what they campaigned on and what their voters are demanded! OMG THEY'RE DOOMED!

    ...wait a minute, weren't we being told right before the election if the Republicans didn't live up to what their voters wanted they'd be doomed? Now they ARE doing what their voters wanted and they're doomed. Funny, is it me, or do Democrats and liberals just seem to ALWAYS thinks republicans are doomed regardless of any other factor besides the fact they're republicans?

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

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    Those evil republicans, how dare they force the democrats to think this issue is so important that they ignored it and ignored it and ignored it and ignored it until the point that it became a lame duck sessions and thus they had to use the fast track rules despite knowing that if it ever got to the point that it'd go to fast tracked rules it'd be voted down by republicans.
    The most important words in that sentence have been noted by me.

    Do you have any evidence which demonstrates that voters were voting GOP because they wanted taxes cut on the top 2% or this just speculation on your part? I would be happy to read it and see some actual evidence supporting your claims.

    OH MY GOD! THE SKY IS FALLING! Republicans are doing what they campaigned on and what their voters are demanded! OMG THEY'RE DOOMED!
    Republicans campaigned on certain things - outright hate of Obama being the most obvious. Some gave lip service to the debt and deficit. If they adopt a program of getting rid of hundreds of billions of dollars of revenue which is scheduled to go into the Treasury, and this only increases the deficit, they most certainly are NOT delivering on what they campaigned on. Just the opposite. It is the old bait and switch and the GOP are experts at it.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    "Democrats brought the measure to the floor under fast-track rules that required a two-thirds vote to pass, so the measure fell despite winning a 258-154 majority."

    Use of the fast track procedure in the lame duck session was nothing more than a political stunt designed to make leftists look good. The Democrats knew the proposed legislation was doomed, but brought it up anyway in a lame duck session where time is of the essence. This is nothing more than guerrilla theatre.
    Actually, they didn't want a bunch of amendments attached to it that would kill the bill.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

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    The most important words in that sentence have been noted by me.

    Do you have any evidence which demonstrates that voters were voting GOP because they wanted taxes cut on the top 2% or this just speculation on your part? I would be happy to read it and see some actual evidence supporting your claims.



    Republicans campaigned on certain things - outright hate of Obama being the most obvious. Some gave lip service to the debt and deficit. If they adopt a program of getting rid of hundreds of billions of dollars of revenue which is scheduled to go into the Treasury, and this only increases the deficit, they most certainly are NOT delivering on what they campaigned on. Just the opposite. It is the old bait and switch and the GOP are experts at it.
    What tax cut? Do you always parrot the party line? There are no tax cuts only extension of the current rates!

    Doesn't look to me like you want to be intellectually honest on any issue. How long do you think an unemployed person should be provided with benefits from the taxpayers? Keep dodging and running from reality.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Actually, they didn't want a bunch of amendments attached to it that would kill the bill.
    When in trouble always bring out the classwarfare card and "republicans want to starve kids, kill seniors, and pollute the air" rhetoric. Now add to that Republicans want to kick the unemployed into the curb. How long do today's unemployed get unemployment benefits? doubt that many here who support extension even care that it is two years.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Sorry, tax policies are no better than a tertiary consideration in a business investment decision..... If the demand is there, the investment is made. A slow economy means no demand. Capital sits on the sidelines as long as doubts about demand are high.

    I am a small business owner. I made a big bet in this economy solely on the perception that there is a demand for my service. Taxes are completely irrelevant at this stage of my investment.
    The tax rate has always been irrelevant in making business decisions. Demand is always the key.
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