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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It is noble to whine and complain about what someone else makes and to penalize them for their income? How does raising the taxes on the top 2% benefit you or the country?
    It benefits the country by helping to pay down the national debt.

    It benefits me by allowing me to "keep more of what I earn". Otherwise, taxes would need to be raised on ALL of us, a concept I have no problem with personally, but when I earn less than X annually and someone else who earns X4 my gross income but has been receiving tax breaks for 2-3 decades, I'd say they've had more than their fair share of "investment income incentives" to move the economy along.

    The Bush tax cuts didn't work because the rich didn't reinvest in this country's future. Instead, it would appear that they followed the Wall Street montra of "greed is good". If you doubt it, how do you explain the recession? You'll of course say it was homeowners who bought homes they couldn't afford, but let's not forget in most cases it was banks and mortgage lenders who convinced these people they could purchase their homes at low APR and refinance later (2-3 yrs). How'd that work out for low-income families who's only real mistake was trying to live the American dream? Yes, they should have read the fine print and better understood the conditions of the mortgage contract they signed, but let's be real here. By a show of virtual hands how many honestly know the full details of your mortgage contract? I sure don't! But I knew enough to insist on something better than an ajustable rate mortgage. So, I guess I was smarter than most average Joes out there. Still, my point is this isn't an indictment on those top 1-2% wage earners. It's a call for them to give back to the country who helped make them millionaires in the first place in providing the very investment opportunities and tax shelters they've come to enjoy so much.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You don't see the difference between the Bush and Obama tax cuts? Obama's were targeted and thus didn't provide incentive to all. Bush's were tax cuts for all Americans and provided more income on each paycheck. Apparently you don't understand the difference.
    true, but the point is moot, academic waste of time

    47 house dems and a half dozen blue senators have declared---they will join with republican patriots to extend the cuts to ALL americans

    it's increasingly looking like pelosi/reid/obama will PUNT once more this central issue, the precise, numerical relationship between each american and the INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE

    and this time it's boehner to whom they're kicking, and the orange dude will NOT fair catch

    the party still in power is completely nonplussed, impotent, pathetic
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    that would be a start. stop wasting money in ****holes like Iraq and Afghanistan. take all the troops deployed overseas and put em on the damn mexican border to keep all those illegal jotos from streaming in.

    cut research grants into studying how cow farts contribute to global warming

    stop funding "the arts"

    get rid of the dept of education. (let the states handle it)

    no more pork barrel "bridge to nowhere" projects

    cut welfare to able bodied people
    Agree, except fine tune it a bit...states take care of education, but standards and curriculum should be overseen by the feds. otherwise, you end up with some states doing a good job, and other states growing a new welfare class.
    As for cutting welfare to the able bodied, find them jobs, even it it is only cleaning up the highways and public lands, and if they don't show up, cut off their welfare..
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, you don't get it, why let any of the tax cuts expire? Are you one of those that continues to believe what Obama tells you in spite of not one of his claims being accurate? How much are those tax increases going to reduce the deficit? Where is the evidence?

    You haven't cleared up anything yet so let's see you answer my question?
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You don't see the difference between the Bush and Obama tax cuts? Obama's were targeted and thus didn't provide incentive to all. Bush's were tax cuts for all Americans and provided more income on each paycheck. Apparently you don't understand the difference.
    Sure, I see that. And back then maybe it made good economic since to provide those tax breaks across the board to every American. But we're NOT living in those sensable economic times right now! The poor and the middle-class cannot afford to pay more in taxes, but the wealthiest of Americans can! The economics of today dictates that those who can provide should provide. You yourself have constantly espoused this same philosophy through public/private/corporate charities. I see no reason why in today's hard economic times the wealthiest of Americans would not be willing to step up to the plate in support of their country even for 2-3 years. Believe me, if the tax cuts are targetted towards those who have the greatest mass buying power - the consumers - demand will be fostered and businesses will being to thrive. And ask sells begin to increase, so will the GDP. And as the GDP increases, unemployment rates decrease. And as unemployment rates decrease, the economy begins to heal itself.

    It's really that simple.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    The government was out of the way from 2001 to 2008 and look where that got us.
    objectively this is incorrect. regulatory interference under Bush increased mor than it did under Clinton. heck, measured in terms of regulatory spending, it increased more in each of Bush's individual terms than it did in both of Clintons' combined. Mark Crain estimates that compliance with regulation cost American businesses $1.172 Trillion (to put that in terms, total corporate tax revenue was $304 billion) in 2008 alone. Clinton cut regulatory staff by 969 employees; Bush added 91,196 people.

    Veronique de Rugy of George Mason University: "The Bush team has spent more taxpayer money on issueing and enforcing regulatios than any previous administration in U.S. history."

    Don't get me wrong, Bush had his good points. but small-governmentalism isn't one of them.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    It's really that simple.
    why do 47 house dems disagree?

    why has leadership failed to act?

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Agree, except fine tune it a bit...states take care of education, but standards and curriculum should be overseen by the feds. otherwise, you end up with some states doing a good job, and other states growing a new welfare class...
    standards and curriculum aren't really overseen by the feds now, the fed dept of ed is worthless. all we get from them is useless BS unfunded mandates.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    objectively this is incorrect. regulatory interference under Bush increased mor than it did under Clinton. heck, measured in terms of regulatory spending, it increased more in each of Bush's individual terms than it did in both of Clintons' combined. Mark Crain estimates that compliance with regulation cost American businesses $1.172 Trillion (to put that in terms, total corporate tax revenue was $304 billion) in 2008 alone. Clinton cut regulatory staff by 969 employees; Bush added 91,196 people.

    Veronique de Rugy of George Mason University: "The Bush team has spent more taxpayer money on issueing and enforcing regulatios than any previous administration in U.S. history."

    Don't get me wrong, Bush had his good points. but small-governmentalism isn't one of them.
    Adding regulatory staff doens't always mean more regulation....too many of them sat at their desks all day, every day, doing nothing....
    Look at how many times Madoff was ratted out , and our govt regulators did nothing...
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    standards and curriculum aren't really overseen by the feds now, the fed dept of ed is worthless. all we get from them is useless BS unfunded mandates.

    IMO, the Education dept would need about 100 employees to create and oversee a set of standards. Enforcement would come about by making sure that the parents in each and every school district are kept informed about how their schools are meeting those standards.
    We used to live in a small town in Idaho. The parents THOUGHT the schools were doing a good job. Problem is, the standards were so low that almost every HS student was on the "honor roll", even those who couldn't spell or punctuate properly. They did have a "high honor roll" that meant something. When these less than high honor roll students went off to college, many of them had to take remedial classes to make up for their pathetic HS education....
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