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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Jobs open up, jobs are lost, it is a constand flux. What does not change is that currently their are 4 times as many people looking for jobs, then jobs avaliable
    And there's no excuse that the majority of unemployed can't find work within a reasonable amount of time if they are looking.
    I know I live in the great state of Tx where times aren't as hard as in the rest of the world. But anyway, I know someone who just couldn't seem to find the right job. He's had 4 different jobs and turned down several others in the last 8 months. Finally, I think he found one to his liking this time.
    The states just can't afford to keep paying people for doing nothing. Taxes are going to go up on employers because of it. Is that good for the economy?
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    This is a survey done by BLS that surveys the U.S. economy as it is now
    Yes, fact as we established earlier.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It doesn't show the businesses that went out of business that could come back with the right incentive. It doesn't survey the potential to create new businesses or the liklihood of that happening.
    You are seeking "worthless" projections now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    There have been a large number of businesses go out of business because of the economy that given the right incentive could start up again. Cutting tax rates, lowering the costs of hiring, and expanding lending options would be a good step forward.
    Yes. Why is that neither party is advocating the CBO measures that involve just this, like the payroll tax holiday?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I didn't ignore it. if you look at my original post, these things are addressed in the quote I posted from the CBO.
    Which I will post here yet again.
    A temporary increase in aid to the unemployed would have a significant positive short-term effect on the economy per dollar of budgetary cost. Such an increase would slightly raise unemployment among the affected individuals, but it would also raise people’s spending and thereby increase output and employment in the economy overall.

    Unless I am mistaken, this part is not actually in the CBO report. This is your addition.

    If I am mistaken, please provide the exact quote so that I may find it for myself.


    Unless I am mistaken, this part is not actually in the CBO report. This is your addition.

    If I am mistaken, please provide the exact quote so that I may find it for myself.
    Define temporary relief and then post the link to the CBO report. How long should temporary be and what are the assumptions given the CBO to make their projections?

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    And there's no excuse that the majority of unemployed can't find work within a reasonable amount of time if they are looking.
    A lack of jobs is no excuse. It's just a sad fact. A hard one to deal with I know. It's hard for me to understand taht what has been the economic reality for most of my life and all of my adult life has drastically changed.
    If you look at the BLS statistics, you'll see that in "normal" times the ration of jobs to job seekers is closer to 1:1. But today it's not that way. Times have changed.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    AFAICT, in that scenario, only 50mil would be getting benefits. It's not the same jobs nor all the same people all the time. People get jobs and people lose jobs just because the number stays close to the same does't mean it all the same people and the same jobs.
    no, the 50 million are only job openings like your 10 job openings were. The 100 million represents your 49 or 46 job seekers.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Yes, fact as we established earlier.

    You are seeking "worthless" projections now?

    Yes. Why is that neither party is advocating the CBO measures that involve just this, like the payroll tax holiday?
    First of all the Republicans don't take control of Congress until the first of January. For the past 4 years Democrats have been in total control. As I have posted over and over again the Obama economic policy has been a disaster. If you give a payroll tax holiday what taxes are you cutting?

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Define temporary relief and then post the link to the CBO report. How long should temporary be and what are the assumptions given the CBO to make their projections?
    It's the same damn link I have posted more than once already. But I will post it again. Please book mark it or something so that you can find it in the future.
    http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/118xx/doc...maryforWeb.pdf
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    no, the 50 million are only job openings like your 10 job openings were. The 100 million represents your 49 or 46 job seekers.
    And 50 million people go and get jobs and that leaves 50mil w/o jobs.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    First of all the Republicans don't take control of Congress until the first of January.
    And the minority party cannot suggest a course of action? Or what are you trying to say? The GOP makes no plans or suggestions until they are a majority in the House?
    It seems irrelevant to the parties lack of advocacy for a sensible idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    If you give a payroll tax holiday what taxes are you cutting?
    I expect the ones that come out of people's paychecks. Employers pay a portion of these. Cutting them would put more money in employees pockets and would also make hiring someone cheaper.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    And the minority party cannot suggest a course of action? Or what are you trying to say? The GOP makes no plans or suggestions until they are a majority in the House?
    It seems irrelevant to the parties lack of advocacy for a sensible idea.

    I expect the ones that come out of people's paychecks. Employers pay a portion of these. Cutting them would put more money in employees pockets and would also make hiring someone cheaper.
    You mean FICA taxes that fund SS and Medicare? Hmmm, then my bet is you will be complaining when SS and Medicare is broke and not able to fund individuals in their retirement years. As for the CBO report, read the entire report and stop cherry picking the data. Further I am still waiting for what is temporary in your world? Where is the incentive to take a job when that temporary number today is over two years?

    The majority party can and has made recommendations. Doubt seriously that you read the Paul Ryan Roadmap or anything from the minority party as Reid and Pelosi controlled the agenda.

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