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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    OK never mind-I asked you how long the benefits should go.
    As I stated earlier--as long as it benefits the country.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Link the CBO report you claim in your post and then I will comment on it, I won't comment without seeing the resport. I am also waiting for BLS.gov data that shows the jobs available.
    Tell you what, I'll link to the post where I linked to it.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059114295
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    As I stated earlier--as long as it benefits the country.
    Here is what CBO says which of course you ignored.

    The CBO therefore claims, in addition to "dampen[ing] people's efforts to look for work," that taking money out of the economy and putting it back into unemployment benefits might increase economic output, or it might decrease it?

    Now tell me why you would buy CBO predictions. It might increase or it might decrease economic output! Brilliant analysis

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    If you will look at what I posted you will see what I am telling you. It's that there are more job seekers than jobs. This is different than there not being any jobs. It's that there aren't enough jobs.

    They provide a ratio of the number of job seekers to the number of jobs. Have you looked at that ratio? What does it tell you?
    It tells me that there are still jobs that aren't filled. Doesn't matter how many are jobless until those jobs are filled. What if there was 50 million jobs available and 100 million unemployed?
    Should the hundred million receive unemployment for 2 yrs or would you say 26 wks is a bit more reasonable?
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, what BLS shows you is how many people are working, how many people are unemployed, it doesn't show you how many jobs are available. Where do you get the numbers from BLS that shows jobs available? Link it
    I'll link to the post where I linked to it already:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059114295
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    It tells me that there are still jobs that aren't filled. Doesn't matter how many are jobless until those jobs are filled. What if there was 50 million jobs available and 100 million unemployed?
    Should the hundred million receive unemployment for 2 yrs or would you say 26 wks is a bit more reasonable?
    Jobs open up, jobs are lost, it is a constand flux. What does not change is that currently their are 4 times as many people looking for jobs, then jobs avaliable
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    It tells me that there are still jobs that aren't filled. Doesn't matter how many are jobless until those jobs are filled. What if there was 50 million jobs available and 100 million unemployed?Should the hundred million receive unemployment for 2 yrs or would you say 26 wks is a bit more reasonable?
    AFAICT, in that scenario, only 50mil would be getting benefits. It's not the same jobs nor all the same people all the time. People get jobs and people lose jobs just because the number stays close to the same does't mean it all the same people and the same jobs.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I'll link to the post where I linked to it already:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059114295
    This is a survey done by BLS that surveys the U.S. economy as it is now, It doesn't show the businesses that went out of business that could come back with the right incentive. It doesn't survey the potential to create new businesses or the liklihood of that happening. Since there is lack of incentive to create a new business today due to the increasing costs of employees and the debt that Obama is creating bls only measures the known but it also doesn't match geography to the numbers. There may be extremely large numbers of unemployed in a particular area with jobs available in other areas. There have been a large number of businesses go out of business because of the economy that given the right incentive could start up again. Cutting tax rates, lowering the costs of hiring, and expanding lending options would be a good step forward.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Here is what CBO says which of course you ignored.

    The CBO therefore claims, in addition to "dampen[ing] people's efforts to look for work," ...
    I didn't ignore it. if you look at my original post, these things are addressed in the quote I posted from the CBO.
    Which I will post here yet again.
    A temporary increase in aid to the unemployed would have a significant positive short-term effect on the economy per dollar of budgetary cost. Such an increase would slightly raise unemployment among the affected individuals, but it would also raise people’s spending and thereby increase output and employment in the economy overall.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    ...that taking money out of the economy and putting it back into unemployment benefits might increase economic output, or it might decrease it?
    Unless I am mistaken, this part is not actually in the CBO report. This is your addition.

    If I am mistaken, please provide the exact quote so that I may find it for myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Now tell me why you would buy CBO predictions. It might increase or it might decrease economic output! Brilliant analysis
    Unless I am mistaken, this part is not actually in the CBO report. This is your addition.

    If I am mistaken, please provide the exact quote so that I may find it for myself.
    I may be wrong.

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