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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    BLS does indeed provide facts, it shows what has happened, are you telling me there aren't any jobs at all out there?
    If you will look at what I posted you will see what I am telling you. It's that there are more job seekers than jobs. This is different than there not being any jobs. It's that there aren't enough jobs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    BLS doesn't predict it reports. Just because there are 4 million more unemployed today than when Obama took office doesn't mean there are 4 million less jobs available. They are just jobs that some people don't have an incentive to take. It may be A job not THE job but it sure beats unemployment. Doesn't look to me like you understand the Bureau of Labor Statistics data.
    They provide a ratio of the number of job seekers to the number of jobs. Have you looked at that ratio? What does it tell you?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Is that not the same result that a "Fair Tax" would give?
    1) Depends what you mean by a fair tax -- it wouldn't be the same at all as a flat rate income tax, by any means, and if it's a consumption tax, it

    2) Depends on the level of the tariff compared that tax (the tariff would have to be pretty freakin' steep to do what haymarket wants it to do)

    3) A "Fair Tax" would be offset at least in part by the elimination of current income taxes

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    4) Even if it does the same thing, I never argued in favor of a "Fair Tax," so it's irrelevant -- and it would be even if I had.

    This, of course, is assuming that the trade war wouldn't result in a trade embargo, which would open an entirely different can of miserable worms.


    Further, it would be far more regressive than a "fair tax," even a consumption tax, because again, these goods would be bought almost exclusively by the lower income levels. The tariff -- the tax -- would be borne almost entirely by the poor. Not so with a "fair tax" of any scheme I've seen.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I asked a simple question.
    My bet is that those in the 47% that don't pay any net Federal Income taxes couldn't care less what the taxes are on those that do pay taxes. Hell, raise them as much as Obama wants since it doesn't affect them. Class warfare is all liberals do.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I asked a simple question.
    I provided a simple response about the nature of your question.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    If you will look at what I posted you will see what I am telling you. It's that there are more job seekers than jobs. This is different than there not being any jobs. It's that there aren't enough jobs.

    They provide a ratio of the number of job seekers to the number of jobs. Have you looked at that ratio? What does it tell you?
    No, what BLS shows you is how many people are working, how many people are unemployed, it doesn't show you how many jobs are available. Where do you get the numbers from BLS that shows jobs available? Link it

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    you are a fine one to speak about diversions....i asked you, you conservative, to give me the numbers....you can't do it....you don't posess the knowledge, you never did, but tried to pass it off that you did, and threw up a link to the corporate wallyworld to try and take the heat off...there are terms to describe what you tried to pass off...but i wont go into them here.
    I'm not conservative...well yea, I am conservative.
    this what you couldn't find? they also have HC, 401(K),profit sharing and stock purchases.
    In the United States, our compensation package is competitive with others in the industry, totaling over $5.2 billion last year. In addition to what the market requires, we base wages on experience, skills, problem-solving and job accountability. The average hourly, full-time wage for Associates in our U.S. stores is $10.76.
    These wages, while competitive with industry, are in many cases entry level jobs. We realize that many stakeholders expect us to pay more, while others are concerned about our ability to remain competitive in serving our customers. We see ways to address both concerns. An example of this was our recent advocacy for an increase in the federal minimum wage.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Why do you buy CBO data when the CBO website talks about the accuracy of their data? What does CBO stand for and who directs their activity? That is all you really need to know. Stick to the non partisan sites not those that make rosey predictions based upon false assumptions.
    Please describe which assumptions are false.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I provided a simple response about the nature of your question.
    OK never mind-I asked you how long the benefits should go.



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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I'm not conservative...well yea, I am conservative.
    this what you couldn't find? they also have HC, 401(K),profit sharing and stock purchases.
    In the United States, our compensation package is competitive with others in the industry, totaling over $5.2 billion last year. In addition to what the market requires, we base wages on experience, skills, problem-solving and job accountability. The average hourly, full-time wage for Associates in our U.S. stores is $10.76.
    These wages, while competitive with industry, are in many cases entry level jobs. We realize that many stakeholders expect us to pay more, while others are concerned about our ability to remain competitive in serving our customers. We see ways to address both concerns. An example of this was our recent advocacy for an increase in the federal minimum wage.
    Wal-Mart - Sustainability Progress to Date 2007-2008 - Wages and Benefits
    There are also corporate jobs at Wal-Mart with many of them coming from people who have worked their way up through the stores. Wal-Mart also has an education reimbursement program which encourages people to further their education. As you pointed out Wal-Mart is a good corporate citizen giving millions to local charities but there are a number of wage structures at Wal-Mart, store level pay scale and a corporate pay structure. What I learned from Wal-Mart is what I did in my business, promote from within and that provided incentive for people to work hard and produce results. It paid great dividends.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Please describe which assumptions are false.
    Link the CBO report you claim in your post and then I will comment on it, I won't comment without seeing the resport. I am also waiting for BLS.gov data that shows the jobs available.

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