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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Far more unemployed workers than job openings
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    This morning the Bureau of Labor Statistics released the August report from the Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey (JOLTS), showing that job openings increased by 60,000 in August (and upward revisions to earlier data reveal that there were 99,000 more jobs openings in July than previously reported).

    The total number of job openings in August was 3.2 million. From the August Current Population Survey, we know that the total number of unemployed workers was 14.9 million. This means that the ratio of unemployed workers to job openings was 4.6-to-1 in August, unchanged from the revised July ratio. It is important to note that this ratio does not measure the number of applicants for each job. There may be throngs of applicants for every job posting, since job seekers apply for multiple jobs. The 4.6-to-1 ratio means that for every 46 unemployed workers, there are only 10 available job openings.
    You're looking at all wrong if you're looking for a job. There are 10 job openings (that's what's important)and they will be hiring 10 people. Maybe only 10 will apply or maybe 100 will. Gee... maybe you could be one of the 10 who gets hired.
    Now, if there were 0 job openings, I'd say we should extend benefits as long as needed.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

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    What incentive? Pay someone not to work and you expect some to find a job. Wish all had the pride to do that but many don't. The papers are full of ads for employment, maybe just not in your community. Move if you have to. There are stories of that happening every day here in Houston as people are fleeing the high unemployment areas for the lower cost of living and high job potential in TX.
    The problem is some people are just idiots and if they aren't in the paper go somewhere give a resume, go everywhere and harrass the people until they hire you. Let me give another anecdote about this. I moved into the area I am in currently to live with family because well, I crashed and burned. Had little to do with who was in office, more to do with my own bad decisions. I am living with family to horde money, and am going to rent a house next month finally, just a few weeks before my daughter is born. ANYWAYS...my younger brother has been living in this area for quite sometime and hasn't been able to find a stable job for over a year. This has nothing to do with the ecnomy, and more to do with he is less resourceful, and has less initiative. His wife works, I asked why doesn't he get a job where she works? "Screw that that's why" is his answer. So instead of suffering the fact he would work the same crappy place his wife works as kitchen help (she is a nurse aid at the same place my mom is a nurse) he would rather be jobless. Just saying, some people are idiots and can keep being jobless for all I care.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    You're looking at all wrong if you're looking for a job. There are 10 job openings (that's what's important)and they will be hiring 10 people. Maybe only 10 will apply or maybe 100 will. Gee... maybe you could be one of the 10 who gets hired.
    Now, if there were 0 job openings, I'd say we should extend benefits as long as needed.
    You are looking at it wrong

    If their are 10 job openings and 100 people applying for those jobs, 90 people will not be one of the 10 who get a job
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

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    It will do one of two things:

    1- if we place a tariff on goods coming into the USA this money will go into the coffers of the Treasury and is badly needed by the USA.
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    2- Americans will still desire those products and will now be made here thus creating jobs for Americans.

    That is what is called a WIN WIN situation.
    Your idea raises taxes on the poor, and almost exclusively so given the market for these cheaper goods. In fact, as these terms go, this is about as regressive a tax as you can get. Why do you hate the poor?

    And then our exports get slaughtered in the ensuing trade war, causing more jobs to be lost.

    Brilliant strategy.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Sure. There needs to be incentives to create jobs. Who will hire if their business isn't selling it's goods or services? Why aren't either parties promoting the payroll tax holiday?
    The place you said provides facts provided facts that don't support you opinion. You can change your opinion or rationalize.
    Do you or do you not think that the BLS provides facts? It's not that American have suddenly become lazy assholes. Take a look at the facts from the BLS--there are 5 times as many job seekers as there are jobs.
    The BLS statistics are national statistics.
    BLS does indeed provide facts, it shows what has happened, are you telling me there aren't any jobs at all out there? BLS doesn't predict it reports. Just because there are 4 million more unemployed today than when Obama took office doesn't mean there are 4 million less jobs available. They are just jobs that some people don't have an incentive to take. It may be A job not THE job but it sure beats unemployment. Doesn't look to me like you understand the Bureau of Labor Statistics data.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    extensions would be nothing more than additional income redistribution. Is your solution-as a "conservative" to keep paying unemployment benefits as long as you think that there are not enough jobs? Just curious
    It's not about what I think. The BLS numbers are facts. The economy we're used to has a ratio of closer to 1 to 1 job seekers to jobs. This is not the case today. We can address them as facts or we can plug our ears and spout partisan platitudes. Which is more conservative, addressing facts such as they are or as we wish they were?

    Further, as far as I can tell the CBO maintains that when it comes to spurring our economy back to where it should be, extending the unemployment benefits offers good bang for the buck. On this point I am open to having my mind changed. If you have anything that runs contrary to this, I am willing to look at it. Please provide at your convenience.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Your idea raises taxes on the poor, and almost exclusively so given the market for these cheaper goods. In fact, as these terms go, this is about as regressive a tax as you can get. Why do you hate the poor?

    And then our exports get slaughtered in the ensuing trade war, causing more jobs to be lost.

    Brilliant strategy.

    Is that not the same result that a "Fair Tax" would give?
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    You're looking at all wrong if you're looking for a job. There are 10 job openings (that's what's important)and they will be hiring 10 people. Maybe only 10 will apply or maybe 100 will. Gee... maybe you could be one of the 10 who gets hired.
    Now, if there were 0 job openings, I'd say we should extend benefits as long as needed.
    So all 10 jobs get filled and that leaves how many people still looking? Almost 3 times as many.

    This isn't a regular economy that we're used to.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    It's not about what I think. The BLS numbers are facts. The economy we're used to has a ratio of closer to 1 to 1 job seekers to jobs. This is not the case today. We can address them as facts or we can plug our ears and spout partisan platitudes. Which is more conservative, addressing facts such as they are or as we wish they were?

    Further, as far as I can tell the CBO maintains that when it comes to spurring our economy back to where it should be, extending the unemployment benefits offers good bang for the buck. On this point I am open to having my mind changed. If you have anything that runs contrary to this, I am willing to look at it. Please provide at your convenience.

    I asked a simple question.



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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    It's not about what I think. The BLS numbers are facts. The economy we're used to has a ratio of closer to 1 to 1 job seekers to jobs. This is not the case today. We can address them as facts or we can plug our ears and spout partisan platitudes. Which is more conservative, addressing facts such as they are or as we wish they were?

    Further, as far as I can tell the CBO maintains that when it comes to spurring our economy back to where it should be, extending the unemployment benefits offers good bang for the buck. On this point I am open to having my mind changed. If you have anything that runs contrary to this, I am willing to look at it. Please provide at your convenience.
    Why do you buy CBO data when the CBO website talks about the accuracy of their data? What does CBO stand for and who directs their activity? That is all you really need to know. Stick to the non partisan sites not those that make rosey predictions based upon false assumptions.

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