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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is a diverion, look it up, it is on line. anyone that seems to believe that a working Wal-Mart employee doesn't benefit the community really is economically challenged.
    you are a fine one to speak about diversions....i asked you, you conservative, to give me the numbers....you can't do it....you don't posess the knowledge, you never did, but tried to pass it off that you did, and threw up a link to the corporate wallyworld to try and take the heat off...there are terms to describe what you tried to pass off...but i wont go into them here.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    You said that the BLS has facts. The BLS has noted, there simply are not enough jobs to go around. There are several times more job seekers than jobs.

    Can you explain how failing to extend these benefits will enable people to get jobs that don't exist? Will motivation be enough to create these jobs?

    It seems that putting money into the economy will help to keep demand up. If demand doesn't come up, no employer will decide to hire more people.

    This is demand problem, not a supply problem.
    Provide incentive and jobs will be created and businesses will start up. You really don't understand how the economy works. With all due respect how old are you and I don't mean this to come across negatively. My apology if it does. If this is what you truly believe then it is no wonder this country is a mess as too many buy the Obama rhetoric and ignore the very foundation upon which this economy was built.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Unemployment exists WITH the incentive to find a job.
    What incentive? Pay someone not to work and you expect some to find a job. Wish all had the pride to do that but many don't. The papers are full of ads for employment, maybe just not in your community. Move if you have to. There are stories of that happening every day here in Houston as people are fleeing the high unemployment areas for the lower cost of living and high job potential in TX.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Sorry but I live in a area hit very hard by the economic downturn and I have a job. I also have a job in the least hiring sector according to the BLS. The statistics on there don't really match quite what you were saying, and the figures cut off at August, I actually found this job in August so who knows. Oh and I worked for 2 months straight 7 days a week 10 hours a day at a pre-assembly plant that employs roughly 120 people a shift. This is in an area that according to the Maysville, KY unemployment office job growth is projected at -.08% for the next 4 months, unemployment is 14% (compared to the 10.5% in Kentucky overall and 9% US average) I still am able to get this job. Is it the best thing in the world? Of course not. Am I saving money, and making sure my daughter isn't born into the world with her daddy being one of these lazy assholes hoping for unemployment? You bet.
    So your anecdote is suppose to outweigh the national statistics? As I said before, you're free to believe whatever you want. No need to change your beliefs to fit facts. You should consider that you're belief is not withstanding exposure to reality. Rationalization is a helluva drug.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    from Harshaw



    It will do one of two things:

    1- if we place a tariff on goods coming into the USA this money will go into the coffers of the Treasury and is badly needed by the USA.
    or
    2- Americans will still desire those products and will now be made here thus creating jobs for Americans.

    That is what is called a WIN WIN situation.
    more money from US citizens going to the government. and what happens to our balance of trade when foreign governments retaliate?



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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    So your anecdote is suppose to outweigh the national statistics? As I said before, you're free to believe whatever you want. No need to change your beliefs to fit facts. You should consider that you're belief is not withstanding exposure to reality. Rationalization is a helluva drug.
    As long as we are crystal on that point yes I will use my truthiness and you can have your "facts" in this matter.
    "Were going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and thats crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If you have the knowledge and you are so smart and you have the evidence at your fingertips stop playing a childs game of Hide & Seek and just come out with it. Lay out the facts and figures to demonstrate beyond any doubt that cutting taxes on the rich translates into more jobs for the poor slobs underneath the wealthy.

    But please, no theory, no ideology, no opinions of other fellow travelers, no opinion columns from the Cato Insititute or others of that ilk. Just the hard and cold stats about tax cuts on the wealthy in 2001 and 2003 creating jobs and prosperity for the rest of us.

    Do it please.
    Why do tax cuts for people who pay too much in taxes have to help you?



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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    So you have no way of knowing that extending unemployment benefits will be detrimental.

    also

    How does non-spending on the part of however many thousands of people provide more benefit to the economy than spending by thousands of people--even if only on what is needed?
    extensions would be nothing more than additional income redistribution. Is your solution-as a "conservative" to keep paying unemployment benefits as long as you think that there are not enough jobs? Just curious



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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Provide incentive and jobs will be created and businesses will start up.
    Sure. There needs to be incentives to create jobs. Who will hire if their business isn't selling it's goods or services? Why aren't either parties promoting the payroll tax holiday?
    The place you said provides facts provided facts that don't support you opinion. You can change your opinion or rationalize.
    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What incentive? Pay someone not to work and you expect some to find a job.
    Do you or do you not think that the BLS provides facts? It's not that American have suddenly become lazy assholes. Take a look at the facts from the BLS--there are 5 times as many job seekers as there are jobs.
    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The papers are full of ads for employment, maybe just not in your community. Move if you have to. There are stories of that happening every day here in Houston as people are fleeing the high unemployment areas for the lower cost of living and high job potential in TX.
    The BLS statistics are national statistics.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    more money from US citizens going to the government. and what happens to our balance of trade when foreign governments retaliate?
    That of course would depend on whether or not the US goods can be substituted by goods from other countries or not
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