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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What you are proposing is a trade war that will affect U.S. Companies that export goods and services to other countries. Not sure you are thinking clearly here.
    Oh I am thinking extremely clearly here. And so were the Founding Fathers when they included these powers in the Constitution.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Oh I am thinking extremely clearly here. And so were the Founding Fathers when they included these powers in the Constitution.
    Where are unemployment benefits listed in the Constitution? Where are guarantees for healthcare insurance in the Constitution. Seems you want to determine what is in the Constitution all to promote a particular agenda. What is in the Constitution are references to personal resonsibilities which of course you want to ignore. Why do liberals need to create victims?

    this thread is about GOP blocks bill to extend unemployment benefits yet I am still waiting for you to tell us all how many weeks of unemployment do you deem appropriate for the unemployed? Liberals always claim to want to help people, but what they really want a victims.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    It's not just a trade war. It's substantially raising the prices of many, many manufactured goods, which will affect pretty much everyone adversely, and in the case of lowest income brackets, quite substantially. Haymarket, why do you want to punish the poor so severely?
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    Conservative - you misread or make a false assumption when I refer to the Founding Fathers .... I am talking about the power given to Congress to levy a tariff.

    Harshaw - people without jobs cannot buy products be they cheaply priced, moderately priced or expensively priced. I do not want to punish the poor but rather eradicate most of the poor by elevating them into the middle class of workers. Eliminating good paying manufacturing jobs in America in exchange for saying "welcome to Wal Mart" and inexpensive toothpaste is not my idea of The American Dream.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Dude, it's simply not possible. There's no way you can keep things competitive enough to keep manufacturing jobs here in the US or Canada. It's simply not a viable career anymore. The sooner we realise that, the sooner we can have people trained to do different jobs, and not have some of the old manufacturing towns I see here in Ontario that are messed up cause no one's in that field anymore and they didn't know how to do anything else.

    No corporate tax rate is gonna change the fact that in China, or Vietnam or El Salvador, there's fewer labour laws, fewer restrictions on work hours and wages, and the ability to hire tons more people to produce more.

    In America and Canada and the western world in general, we have an expectation of what we should get for doing a certain job, in essense we're a pain in the ass.
    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Sorry, J-Mac. There's nothing we can do to keep manufacturing jobs in the U.S. unless we put our Constitution aside. No way can companies be incentivized to pay American wages when they can go to Third World countries and pay pennies.

    There's probably more information available for Nike than any other company in the U.S. Here are some stats:

    Indonesian workers make $2.46 a day
    Vietnamese workers make $l.60 a day
    Chinese workers make $1.75 a day
    You pay over $100 for shoes that cost less than five dollars to make.


    That's where Nike production facilities are located....in Third World countries where it is illegal for workers to organize and collectively bargain for better wages.



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    Both of your statements have a strong level of truthiness to them, but they are not truely accurate


    Germany for instance has a very vibrant manufacturing industry, it has a balanced trade relationship with China by selling manufactured goods to China, while receiving manufactured goods from China. This next part is for J Mac and other anti union types. German manufactures generally have fairly strong unions that have a seat on the board, and have a say in the direction of the company. They have good benifits and good pay. Labour laws in Germany make it far harder to fire those workers, instead companies tend to reduce hours drastically rather then cut jobs.

    What Germany does try to ensure is that the workers in the manufacturing sector are skilled workers, not drones on an assembly line. It does not try to produce the cheapest product, for the cheapest price. It works at producing the highest quality good, that can command a premium price for it. The only thing Germany is not so good at producing is consumer electronics.


    The majority of Germany companies are also mid level companies that are owned and operated by Germans ( many family still family owned)
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    As a conservative the answer to how long unemployment benefits should be is simple--
    As long as it benefits the country.

    To me, there's really no other answer.

    According to the CBO:
    http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/118xx/doc...maryforWeb.pdf
    A temporary increase in aid to the unemployed would have a significant positive short-term effect on the economy per dollar of budgetary cost. Such an increase would slightly raise unemployment among the affected individuals, but it would also raise people’s spending and thereby increase output and employment in the economy overall.

    One thing that really makes me sick is that there are suggestions in the CBO's report neither party is endorsing that seem like easy no-brainers. From this I conclude that the parties are more interested in playing their partisans peons and scoring points than in actually doing what they morally should be doing. Things like a payroll tax holiday. That benefits everyone and makes hiring more affordable. But, how does one party play that against the other?
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

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    Don't know if anything will get through the think head of a liberal. You don't have to pay for people keeping more of their own money. That means less need for that so called "liberal help." Show me a line item on the budget that shows tax cuts? In order to pay for something it has to be an expense which destroys the liberal argument.

    As for what economists think, I can show you economists that believe that tax cuts grow revenue but that is irrelevant because I have shown the actual numbers from the U.S. Treasury Dept which is the checkbook of the U.S. Please explain to me how tax revenue grew AFTER tax cuts? Bush tax cuts went into effect in July 2003

    2000 3,132
    2001 3,118
    2002 2,987
    2003 3,043
    2004 3,265
    2005 3,659
    2006 3,996
    2007 4,197
    2008 4,072
    CBO projects that revenues will average 18.7 percent of GDP from 2008 to 2010 (close to the 18.6 percent level expected for this year) before jumping sharply in 2011 and 2012 with the expiration of tax provisions originally enacted in EGTRRA and JGTRRA. After that, revenues are projected to continue growing faster than the overall economy for three reasons: the progressive structure of the tax code combined with increases in total real income, withdrawals of retirement savings as the population ages, and the fact that the AMT is not indexed for inflation. Under the assumptions of the baseline, CBO projects that revenues will equal 20.1 percent of GDP by 2017—a level reached only once since World War II.

    The Budget and Economic Outlook: Fiscal Years 2008 to 2017
    Federal revenue normally increases every year. In fact, revenues have declined in only five years since 1962. The 35 percent growth between 2003 and 2006 is significant – the last major growth in revenue was between 1997 and 2000, when the economy was booming and federal receipts rose 28.2 percent. But the recent three-year period also comes after three years of decreases, a drop Viard attributes to the 2001 tax cuts and the start of a recession that same year.

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    That increase of 1.9 percentage point of GDP can be traced to changes in different types of revenues (see Table 2). The bulk of the revenue increase was associated with corporate income taxes: Revenues from corporate income taxes rose from 1.2 percent of GDP in 2003 (their lowest level since 1983) to 2.7 percent in 2006 (their highest level since 1978). That increase of 1.5 percentage points of GDP in corporate income tax revenues accounts for the bulk of the overall 1.9 percentagepoint rise in revenues. Revenues from individual income taxes increased 0.6
    percentage points, from 7.3 percent of GDP in 2003 to 8.0 percent in 2006. And revenues from taxes other than corporate and individual income taxes were relatively stable over the period from 2003 to 2006, slipping 0.2 percentage points, from 7.9 percent to 7.7 percent of GDP.

    http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/81xx/doc8116/...axRevenues.pdf
    So yeah, it's pretty simplistic how you present these numbers and your causes for the increase.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

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    How about answering the question, how long should the taxpayer fund people who are unemployed?
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    You don't actually expect any liberals to answer that, do you?

    see what I mean?

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You called tax cuts an expense and ignore that FACT that spending isn't A problem, it is THE Problem.
    Spending is a problem.

    If spending is "THE Problem", why are you focusing on taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Social engineering is what liberal govt. always wants to do and that will always be the problem because all that does is give govt. more and more power by creating more and more dependence.
    The banks are dependent on the govt. because of liberals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Why are liberals fighting so hard to keep the American people from keeping more of what they earn?
    Because they don't want to pass the cost off to the next generation. Spending is a problem. Borrowing money for that spending is a bigger problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Which party cares the most about what individuals get to keep and what they pay in taxes?
    Which party wants to pay for current spending rather than pass it off to the next generations?

    You guys aren't going to cut that much spending. It sounded good during campaigns, but when the rubber meets the road, they'll still be running a deficit.

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    Think about it?
    Spending is a problem.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    see what I mean?
    A conservative answered it.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059113879
    I may be wrong.

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