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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Wrong, the reason they are expiring is that is the only way that Democrats would approve them back when Bush took office and Democrats controlled the Senate. Further why do you contiue to buy the rhetoric that people keeping more of their own money is an expense to the govt? That is ridiculous, there is no line item in the budget for tax cuts and as I have shown many times both the Reagan and Bush tax RATE cuts grew govt. revenue so explain to me how growing govt. revenue is an expense?

    There is plenty to cut in the budget as all this Congress has to do is get out of those programs that are state responsibilities instead of the Federal Responsibility and then grow the economy to maximize revenue growth.
    No, it was the Byrd rule and PAYGO that meant they couldn't go for more than 10 years if they weren't paid for. I would call that being fiscally responsible.

    Economists don't agree that tax cuts grow revenue. Tax everyone at 1% and see what that does.

    Plenty to cut in the Budget? Okay, show me the money. What are you going to cut to get us in the black?
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Conservatives are sending more than their withholding?

    Oh yeah, "Other People's money", people who are wealthy now can afford it. I think that is preferable to putting it on the credit card and letting our grandkids pay it off. It's a moronic policy to borrow money for things that depreciate in value. You pay interest and get no return on your investment.
    You don't know what withholding taxes are? Who are you to tell someone else what they can afford? Why is it you aren't focusing on what the poor can afford? Have you Seen any of those "poor" owning cell phones, computers, flat screen TV's, or how about cable?

    As for putting things on the credit card, ever consider that spending is too high. How much interest is there on the 3 trillion that Obama has added to the debt? How much does the govt. spend on unemployment benefits each month and I reject the claim that money benefits the economy as it is offset by the taxes and debt service to pay for it.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    No, it was the Byrd rule and PAYGO that meant they couldn't go for more than 10 years if they weren't paid for. I would call that being fiscally responsible.

    Economists don't agree that tax cuts grow revenue. Tax everyone at 1% and see what that does.

    Plenty to cut in the Budget? Okay, show me the money. What are you going to cut to get us in the black?
    Don't know if anything will get through the think head of a liberal. You don't have to pay for people keeping more of their own money. That means less need for that so called "liberal help." Show me a line item on the budget that shows tax cuts? In order to pay for something it has to be an expense which destroys the liberal argument.

    As for what economists think, I can show you economists that believe that tax cuts grow revenue but that is irrelevant because I have shown the actual numbers from the U.S. Treasury Dept which is the checkbook of the U.S. Please explain to me how tax revenue grew AFTER tax cuts? Bush tax cuts went into effect in July 2003

    2000 3,132
    2001 3,118
    2002 2,987
    2003 3,043
    2004 3,265
    2005 3,659
    2006 3,996
    2007 4,197
    2008 4,072

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    No, it was the Byrd rule and PAYGO that meant they couldn't go for more than 10 years if they weren't paid for. I would call that being fiscally responsible.

    Economists don't agree that tax cuts grow revenue. Tax everyone at 1% and see what that does.

    Plenty to cut in the Budget? Okay, show me the money. What are you going to cut to get us in the black?
    2009 Budget of the United States, tell me which items in this budget are duplicated at the state level and why we need that duplication

    Budget line item and amount in billions

    Defense 662.8
    International Affairs 38.6
    Gen. Science, Space 29.9
    Energy 4.6
    Natural resources/env 45.7
    Agriculture 14.0
    Commerce 292.5
    Transportation 84.4
    Community Dev 26.2
    Education/Train/Social 78.2
    Health 334.3
    Medicare 430.1
    Income Security 533.9
    Social Security 683.0
    Veterans Benefits 95.5
    Justice 53.4
    General Govt. 17.6
    Net Interest 190.9


    Total 3615.6

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    I love it....Bring out facts and the liberal disappears....Beautiful.


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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You don't know what withholding taxes are? Who are you to tell someone else what they can afford? Why is it you aren't focusing on what the poor can afford? Have you Seen any of those "poor" owning cell phones, computers, flat screen TV's, or how about cable?
    I'm not telling them what they can afford. I know they will be just fine if they have to pay an extra 3%. Why are you framing this discussion as class warfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    As for putting things on the credit card, ever consider that spending is too high. How much interest is there on the 3 trillion that Obama has added to the debt? How much does the govt. spend on unemployment benefits each month and I reject the claim that money benefits the economy as it is offset by the taxes and debt service to pay for it.
    The GOP is going to raise the debt ceiling. I already said that spending is a problem. Quit pretending that I didn't.

    Do foreclosures and bankruptcies help the economy?
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I love it....Bring out facts and the liberal disappears....Beautiful.


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    Never fear they will hide a day or two and then come back acting like those facts were never presented and making their same tired old argument over and over again. Facts confuse liberals who prefer buying rhetoric from this incompetent Administration.

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I'm not telling them what they can afford. I know they will be just fine if they have to pay an extra 3%. Why are you framing this discussion as class warfare?



    The GOP is going to raise the debt ceiling. I already said that spending is a problem. Quit pretending that I didn't.

    Do foreclosures and bankruptcies help the economy?
    Most of the foreclosures and bankruptcies should never have occurred as people signed onto loans that they couldn't afford. Whether or not they hurt the economy is a mixed bag as they have both a positive and negative affect depending on how the govt. reacts. Stop bailing out people who make poor personal choices.

    Please show me a line item in that budget I posted that has tax cuts as an expense?

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    independent_thinker2002;
    The GOP is going to raise the debt ceiling. I already said that spending is a problem. Quit pretending that I didn't.
    You called tax cuts an expense and ignore that FACT that spending isn't A problem, it is THE Problem. Social engineering is what liberal govt. always wants to do and that will always be the problem because all that does is give govt. more and more power by creating more and more dependence. Why are liberals fighting so hard to keep the American people from keeping more of what they earn? Which party cares the most about what individuals get to keep and what they pay in taxes? Think about it?

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Believe the issue and reporting of the bill has been somewhat distorted. My understanding is that the GOP was just insisting that the money for the benefits be appropriated from existing funds. And not just pulled from nowhere and added to the debt. Dems couldn't abide by that little detail.

    Personal opinion is that the overall benefit extensions have gone bat **** crazy. Two ****ing years of unemployment benefits??!!! Am thinking maximum was 13 weeks when I was a lad. And am pretty certain it was 26 weeks not too long ago.



    This isn't just a Democrat thing. Both parties are vote grubbing rascals and fiscal dimwits....

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    Dems didn't need any help from the Rep. The Dems are still in power. Blaming the Rep. is just just dirty pool playing. They did the same thing with something else a while back to make the Rep. look bad in the media. They could have gone regular order and only needed Dem. votes. Instead they took a different route and needed some Rep. Then again it still could have passed in a bi-partisan way if the Dems had agreed to pay for it with unspent stimulus funds. They said no.
    You are right, 26 wks is supposed to be the limit. They just keep giving "emergency" extentions. The state have to pay this money back WITH INTEREST to the federal govt. I think it's an emergency that we stop now before more than Ca is in the crapper.
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