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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Generally speaking, I think it can probably be proven that the longer the benefits last, the longer the beneficiaries take to find gainful employment. I would bet a dollar to a donut that if the teat went dry the unemployment percentages would drop.

    I know that I was reading something a while back about how one country, I'm wanting to say Norway, cut unemployment extensions and people went back to work much faster than they did when they had years and years of unemployment benefits. I'll try to find that link.

    One thing for sure, it's just human nature to try and ride the cash cow when/if you can. A poor guy working all week just to bring home 500.00 bucks probably wouldn't mind taking a two year vacation, making only 150.00 bucks a week less than he would make busting his ass. Got no link for that but it's just common sense to me. I don't need a link to tell me it's raining outside.

    I'm all for helping out a man down on his luck. But this is just freakin' rediculous.
    Yeah, the statistics are out there. As the end of the benefit period closes in, the percentage of the people that suddenly find work suddenly jumps way up.

    It's a miracle!!


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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Did I say I had any disdain for those that have more than me? No, I didn't.

    Yes, the govt. does have the right to tax its citizens.

    So let's see if I have this right,, you want to overthrow the govt. because you do not promote the waste, fraud, and abuse that goes with it?
    Did I say that the govt. doesn't have the right to tax its citizens? You continue to ignore the point and that is the money that someone earns is theirs first thus not an expense to the govt. nor is it the right of the govt. to tell people how they can spend their money.

    Keep diverting as this isn't about overthrowing the govt, this is about you continuing to buy what you are told by an incompetent Administration that this Administration knows what is best for everyone else. What you don't seem to understand is that unemployment benefits now extend beyond 2 years so how long do you think unemployed people should have to find another job?

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

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    Did I say that the govt. doesn't have the right to tax its citizens? You continue to ignore the point and that is the money that someone earns is theirs first thus not an expense to the govt. nor is it the right of the govt. to tell people how they can spend their money.

    Keep diverting as this isn't about overthrowing the govt, this is about you continuing to buy what you are told by an incompetent Administration that this Administration knows what is best for everyone else. What you don't seem to understand is that unemployment benefits now extend beyond 2 years so how long do you think unemployed people should have to find another job?
    99<104. How is a 3% increase in taxes "telling people how to spend their money"?
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits - Politics - Capitol Hill - msnbc.com

    okay, your thoughts.

    republicans are going to have tough pub with this one........deserved or undeserved.
    Believe the issue and reporting of the bill has been somewhat distorted. My understanding is that the GOP was just insisting that the money for the benefits be appropriated from existing funds. And not just pulled from nowhere and added to the debt. Dems couldn't abide by that little detail.

    Personal opinion is that the overall benefit extensions have gone bat **** crazy. Two ****ing years of unemployment benefits??!!! Am thinking maximum was 13 weeks when I was a lad. And am pretty certain it was 26 weeks not too long ago.

    This isn't just a Democrat thing. Both parties are vote grubbing rascals and fiscal dimwits....

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    99<104. How is a 3% increase in taxes "telling people how to spend their money"?
    What is the govt. going to do with that 3%? Why is that even an issue? Enough is enough and it doesn't matter what the percentage is, it is principle plus you never raise taxes on anyone during tough economic times plus the fact that the problems we have aren't a revenue problem but it is a spending problem. People like you never address the spending because you seem to have a vision for this country different from the Founders

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What is the govt. going to do with that 3%? Why is that even an issue? Enough is enough and it doesn't matter what the percentage is, it is principle plus you never raise taxes on anyone during tough economic times plus the fact that the problems we have aren't a revenue problem but it is a spending problem. People like you never address the spending because you seem to have a vision for this country different from the Founders
    Liberals just can't get enough of OTHER PEOPLE'S money.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

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    Liberals just can't get enough of OTHER PEOPLE'S money.
    It is always easier taking other people's money than sending more of their own to the govt. There is nothing to prevent all these "feel good" liberals to send more than their withholding to the govt. but notice they never do that?

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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What is the govt. going to do with that 3%? Why is that even an issue? Enough is enough and it doesn't matter what the percentage is, it is principle plus you never raise taxes on anyone during tough economic times plus the fact that the problems we have aren't a revenue problem but it is a spending problem. People like you never address the spending because you seem to have a vision for this country different from the Founders
    The reason Bush's cuts are expiring is because they aren't paid for. Why do you want to take on more debt during tough economic times? Spending is a problem, but you can't feasably cut that much in spending to get us in the black.

    Principle indeed.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It is always easier taking other people's money than sending more of their own to the govt. There is nothing to prevent all these "feel good" liberals to send more than their withholding to the govt. but notice they never do that?
    Conservatives are sending more than their withholding?

    Oh yeah, "Other People's money", people who are wealthy now can afford it. I think that is preferable to putting it on the credit card and letting our grandkids pay it off. It's a moronic policy to borrow money for things that depreciate in value. You pay interest and get no return on your investment.
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    Re: House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    The reason Bush's cuts are expiring is because they aren't paid for. Why do you want to take on more debt during tough economic times? Spending is a problem, but you can't feasably cut that much in spending to get us in the black.

    Principle indeed.
    Wrong, the reason they are expiring is that is the only way that Democrats would approve them back when Bush took office and Democrats controlled the Senate. Further why do you contiue to buy the rhetoric that people keeping more of their own money is an expense to the govt? That is ridiculous, there is no line item in the budget for tax cuts and as I have shown many times both the Reagan and Bush tax RATE cuts grew govt. revenue so explain to me how growing govt. revenue is an expense?

    There is plenty to cut in the budget as all this Congress has to do is get out of those programs that are state responsibilities instead of the Federal Responsibility and then grow the economy to maximize revenue growth.

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