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    Re: New Jersey high court rejects bid to recall senator

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    One state allowing for a recall election for its Senators would not lead to "chaos," nor would it affect anything other than that one's state Senators.
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    Conservative activists are seeking to recall elected members of Congress in other states including Louisiana, North Dakota and Colorado.
    So we already have 4 states trying to do this, and more would follow, either now or later. Chaos might be an exaggeration, but big mess would not be.
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    Re: New Jersey high court rejects bid to recall senator

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    So we already have 4 states trying to do this, and more would follow, either now or later. Chaos might be an exaggeration, but big mess would not be.
    Perhaps, but a state supreme court ruling doesn't affect anything other than the state it sits in. So, if the NJ supreme court had decided the other way, it doesn't open any doors for any other state.
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    Re: New Jersey high court rejects bid to recall senator

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    I not only believe there should be a mechanism for "WE THE PEOPLE" to remove any elected official from office for any reason at any time.

    It should not be too easy but it needs to be possible because as in the case of Obama who is acting in less than the best interest of the Nation he and his mate seem to hate, it would be best id he where to go away and take Biden with him. I'd call it a twofer recall.

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    I would wait until Pelosi is long gone before I did it, because that sorry excue for a human in as Anti- American as Obama & Reid.
    If you want to destroy government as an effective agency representing the people, this is one amazing idea.
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    Re: New Jersey high court rejects bid to recall senator

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Perhaps, but a state supreme court ruling doesn't affect anything other than the state it sits in. So, if the NJ supreme court had decided the other way, it doesn't open any doors for any other state.
    Oops, apparently I should have read my own source better. Was thinking it was a federal court.
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    Re: New Jersey high court rejects bid to recall senator

    Even a federal court will only affect its district or circuit. In order to open doors nationwide, it would have to be SCOTUS.
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    Re: New Jersey high court rejects bid to recall senator

    The Senate itself has the power to expell any member for any reason. Outside of expelling Confederate Senators from states that seceeded, it has only actually done it once, in about 1798 I think, with Blount of TN, who had conspired with the Brits it seems regarding western territories. Other Senators have chosen to resign before possible expulsion, such as Harrison of NJ with ABSCAM, and Packwood (OR I think) with some sexual harrassment stuff. So, they can be compelled out where there is enough evidence of wrong-doing.

    But as for "no confidence", I think our Constitution is fine as written

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    Re: New Jersey high court rejects bid to recall senator

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
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    So we already have 4 states trying to do this, and more would follow, either now or later. Chaos might be an exaggeration, but big mess would not be.
    So now you admit your opinion is in fact based on partisan politics.

    Perservation of the party is the way I see it. You think that it might grow legs and some unpopular democrats could find themselves out of a job.

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    Re: New Jersey high court rejects bid to recall senator

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    So now you admit your opinion is in fact based on partisan politics.

    Perservation of the party is the way I see it. You think that it might grow legs and some unpopular democrats could find themselves out of a job.
    What's "partisan" about wanting to avoid a mess?
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    Re: New Jersey high court rejects bid to recall senator

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    New Jersey high court rejects bid to recall senator - Yahoo! News



    I think this is the best thing, since allowing voters to recall senators could create huge problems. People sitting and watching for low approval ratings and pushing to oust them for political gain. We have elections at set intervals, that should be enough.
    Congress critters should be able to be recalled just like anyone else...moreso, even,
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    Re: New Jersey high court rejects bid to recall senator

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Congress critters should be able to be recalled just like anyone else...moreso, even,
    But how do you prevent, say, a democrat - controlled state house and/or senate from using their position of control to support and advance a recall against one or more of their republican and/or third-party opponents?

    Or the reverse?

    What restrictions on a recall system would you put in place to prevent abuse?

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    On another note, what about the effect the constant threat of recall would have on elected officials?

    I know it's popular to say "follow the will of the people", but our government was specifically designed (as I understand it) to insulate the governing process from popular opinion to an extent.

    What is popular is not always the correct thing to do - and what is unpopular is sometimes the best thing to do.

    What you are advocating would push us further away from a representative democracy governing system, and more towards a fully democratic governing system - wherein the popular opinion governs all - personally, I think we are far too close to that already, in some respects.
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